FBI turns up heat on Mike Adams as ‘Health Ranger’ fiasco widens, plus Adams’ archive

Last week, Mike Adams, the founder and editor of NaturalNews.com–a favorite site of Dr. Oz and anti-GMO campaigners, from Vandana Shiva to Center for Food Safetey’s Andrew Kimbrell to the Food Babe to Jeffrey Smith, but also dubbed by scientists and journalists as the number one anti-science site in cyberspace–launched an all out offensive against crop biotechnology.

Adams posted a screed on his website (this pre-censored post, since sanitized by Adams, has been preserved on the wayback machine archives) attacking supporters of genetic engineering as modern day Nazis, suggesting that anti-GMO activists should consider murdering scientists and journalists for their crimes against humanity. Adams then alerted readers to another site, Monsanto Collaborators, which was more or less a handy online list of these so-called ‘Nazi perpetrators”–aka scientists, journalists and news organizations that believe biotechnology can play a constructive role in farming–for crazies who might want to follow Adams’ marching orders and begin assassinations. I was prominently mentioned by Adams, no doubt because of the scathing Adams profile and fact sheet summary GLP posted in April.

Adams alerted readers to this new “collaborators” site, claiming he had nothing at all to do with it, but urging everyone to read it nonetheless. Not surprisingly, anti-GMO philosopher Vandana Shiva, linked to the Adams story on one of her sites (Shiva took down the incendiary Adams post on July 28, but an archived version of it has been preserved here.)

Needless to say, the last week and Adams’ anti-GMO offensive have not unfolded as Adams had anticipated. Keith Kloor, a science writer with a blog on Discover, has written a series of articles on the Adams fiasco, documenting the train wreck as it unfolded: here, here, and here.

But more interesting is the fact that it’s now clear that Adams was behind the Monsanto Collaborators site. Analyses by the GLP, geneticist Karl Haro von Mogel and most extensively by the website This Week in Pseudo Science have demonstrated that the NaturalNews.com coding signatures–akin to a DNA match–are all over the Monsanto Collaborators site, which was actually registered hours before Adams’ first attack column was published. In sum: Adams has been busted. He published both sites. He’s also launched two other slander and pseudo sites designed to promote himself and his products while trying to hammer critics.

Adams tried to cleanse his original NaturalNews.com post calling for the killing of scientists and journalists and is now blocking access to the Monsanto Collaborators site, which he claims was actually set up by Monsanto and its supporters to discredit him and other anti-GMO activists, but the truth is out and the damage has been done.

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, besieged by complaints from targets and the science and journalism communities, immediately launched an investigation of Adams and the site, with Adams facing possible felony charges of inciting violence (if he lived in a Europe or a Commonwealth country like the U.K., he would probably already have been served).

As the list of cyber stories on this still developing story, posted below, illustrates, the condemnation of Adams by mainstream journalists and scientists, including Paul Raeburn at Knight Science Journalism Tracker, has been overwhelming. Consensus: Adams is (in the words of scientist and blogger David Gorski) an uber-quack.

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The issue here, of course, is not Adams. He is well known for his wildly popular fringe and inflammatory views, as his anti-science web site garners millions of hits every month. The real scandal is that what Adams writes about GMOs, including hyping the long discredited myth that GMOs are causing farmer suicides in India—is standard gruel for even so-called ‘mainstream’ and “responsible” anti-GMO activists.

In other words, Mike Adams is not an outlier in the anti-GMO movement…he is as mainstream as the Institute for Responsible Technology, Center for Food Safety, and sadly, even some environmental publications, on this issue, like Mother Jones. Their positions are grounded in ideology rather than science. That’s the scandal.

Below are the links, including to archived posts that Adams tried to but failed to purge, of the growing Adams dust-up.

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Original Monsanto Collaborators site (blocked/taken down by Adams): 

Adams’ follow up post on NaturalNews saying he’s not responsible for Collaborators page before he sanitized it: http://web.archive.org/web/20140725133815/http://www.naturalnews.com/046147_Monsanto_Collaborators_false_flag_operation_GMO_skeptics.html

Also preserved in slightly altered form here: Tree of Liberty: http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=202889

Adams busted: Analysis of coding of Monsanto Collaborators site showing a ‘digital DNA match’ between NaturalNews.com and the Collaborators site, meaning that Adams created the Collaborators site that he first disavowed, then blamed on Monsanto, then took down:

http://www.twipscience.org/news/2014/7/25/mike-adams-builds-a-naturalnews-nazi-time-machine

Attack articles on Adams-created propagandists, site, in which Jon Entine listed along with Magic Johnson and others: http://propagandists.org/

Attack article on Jon Entine on Adams-created collaborators website, the first linked from Monsanto Collaborators page:

http://truthwiki.org/Jon_Entine

http://propagandists.org/propagandists/jon-entine/

Adams sets up two other propaganda sites to promote himself and attack critics: http://newsvoice.se/2014/07/28/mike-adams-starts-naturalwiki-and-truthwiki/

Adams again attacks GMOs, and Entine: http://www.naturalnews.com/046194_agricultural_holocaust_GMOs_environmental_destruction.html

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Adams junk science circulated by Vandana Shiva:

Vandana Shiva’s Seed Freedom: http://seedfreedom.in/biotech-genocide-monsanto-collaborators-and-the-nazi-legacy-of-science-as-justification-for-murder/http://seedfreedom.in/tags/monsanto-collaborators/ [NOTE: Shiva took down mirrored site on on July 29, but a jpg of her pages on her site and on her Facebook site are preserved below]Shiva_adams_website

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General articles and response on Adams fiasco:

Keith Kloor response (1) article http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/22/mike-adams-monsanto-nazis-disturbing-article/

Keith Kloor response (2): http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/24/mike-adams-elevates-ugly-anti-gmo-campaign/

Keith Kloor response (3): http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/25/mike-adams-capitalizes-myth-spread-vandana-shiva/#.U9KkgIBdX0I

Genetic Literacy Project follow: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/07/24/naturalnews-huckster-mike-adams-asks-anti-gmoers-to-kill-scientists-supporters-of-crop-biotech/

GLP Updated Adams profile: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-articles/most-dangerous-anti-science-gmo-critic-meet-mike-adams-conspiracy-junkie-runs-alternative-health-empire/

GLP Updated Fact Sheet on Adams: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/mike-adams/

Genetic Literacy Project Follow that Adams busted: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/07/25/mike-adams-claims-monsanto-set-up-kill-gmo-supporters-website-as-scientists-journalists-face-death-threats/

Additional articles on unfolding Adams story:

RealClearScience: http://www.realclearscience.com/2014/07/24/anti-gmoer_asks_followers_to_kill_scientists_260167.html,

Kevin Folta Illumination blog “Do Not Stop Adams and Intimidation – Exploit It”: http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2014/07/do-not-stop-adams-and-intimidation.html

Kevin Folta on Adams and Shiva: http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2014/07/do-you-stand-with-adams-and-shiva.html

Paul Raeburn, Knight Science Journalism at MIT:  https://ksj.mit.edu/tracker/2014/07/are-these-science-writers-and-publications-facing-death-threats-for-covering-gmos/

David Ropeik’s reflections: http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/a-current-example-of-frightening-extremism-in-the-name-of-our-beliefs

Mother Jones: http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/07/popular-conspiracy-site-likens-pro-gmo-journalists-nazi-collaborators

Forward Progressive “Natural News Founder Accuses Scientists of Genocide, Hints They Should be Killed, http://www.forwardprogressives.com/natural-news-founder-scientists-genocide-hints-killed

Forward Progressive after Adams was busted for claiming he had no connection to ‘kill GMO suporters” site: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/natural-news-owner-may-created-fake-holocaust-website-smear-critics/

Joni Kamiya, Hawaii Farmer’s Joni Kamiya, Hawaii Farmer’s Daughter: http://hawaiifarmersdaughter.com/2014/07/29/afamilyfullofmisinformation/

Steven Novella/Neurologica: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/mike-adams-is-a-dangerous-loon/

David Gorski response (1): http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/07/25/how-they-view-us-mike-adams-and-kent-heckenlively-edition/

David Gorski response (2): http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/how-they-view-us-mike-adams-goes-off-the-deep-end/

Progressive Contrarian: http://theprogressivecontrarian.com/2014/07/24/mike-adams-crazy-train-goes-off-the-tracks/

Ronald Bailey, Reason: http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/25/anti-biotech-nutcase-mike-adams-may-or-m

Sharon Hill, Doubtful News: http://doubtfulnews.com/2014/07/mike-adams-insinuates-some-scientists-should-be-killed-then-looks-like-a-bigger-idiot/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mike-adams-insinuates-some-scientists-should-be-killed-then-looks-like-a-bigger-idiot

Dan Mitchell, Modern Farmer: http://modernfarmer.com/2014/07/natural-news-put-us-hit-list/

Mason Bilderberg, Illuminutti: http://illuminutti.com/2014/07/28/mike-adams-crossed-the-line-and-in-a-way-that-cant-be-ignored/

Nathanael Johnson, Grist: http://grist.org/food/heres-why-natural-news-is-neither/#.U9gTluZaiE0.twitter

Jenny Hopkinson, Politico: http://www.politico.com/morningagriculture/0714/morningagriculture14830.html

Center for Consumer Freedom: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/2014/07/will-anti-gmo-activist-spark-violence/

MuckRack: http://muckrack.com/link/oHM1I/mike-adams-elevates-his-ugly-anti-gmo-campaign

io9: http://io9.com/anti-gmo-activist-mike-adams-who-last-week-called-for-1611494619

Briefing Room, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=144353.0

Lipstick Alley: http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?p=18535513,

Democractic Under Ground http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025285078

Underground Forum http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2347751/Natural-News-Mike-Adams-makes-death-threats/?pc=2

Soap Box: http://thesoapboxrantings.blogspot.com/2014/07/mike-adams-crossed-line-and-in-way-that.html

Swallowing the Camel: http://swallowingthecamel.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/the-health-ranger-might-want-to-kill-you/

Violent Metaphors: http://violentmetaphors.com/2014/07/26/mike-adams-goes-too-far/

566 thoughts on “FBI turns up heat on Mike Adams as ‘Health Ranger’ fiasco widens, plus Adams’ archive”

  1. I am a long-time activist and intellectual on GE issues (beginning in the mid-1980s,, probably long before Entine had any inkling of these issues). Dispite what Jon Entine says, Mike Adams most definitlely IS an outlier– I had never even heard of him before someone sent me his outrageous piece.
    And, anyway, how would Entine even know, since he is not familiar with many of us at the heart of the matter?. The idea that Vandana Shiva and Andy Kimbrell somehow are associated with Adams and his views is truly bizarre–I have known these two people and worked closely with them for many decades. It seems to me that Entine’s piece is as fictional as Adams’ was.
    Monsanto is no Adolf Hitler, and Jon Entine, you are no Andy Kimbrell.
    Phil Bereano
    Prof Emeritus of Technology and Public Policy
    Member, Roster of Experts, Cartagena Biosafety Protocol

  2. Nuts like Mikey…are why I use an alias. If he showed up at my house, my son (who is not nearly as diplomatic as I am) would probably go James Garner (Rockford) on him, “How ’bout I knock your head down between your knees!!”

    • Amen to that. Aliases, and misdirection as to where one lives (pick a different state or a different country).

      If someone shows up at your house who has made threats against your life, don’t even go outside to talk to them. Just call 911 (or 999 in the UK) and have the police ask him to leave in no uncertain terms. If someone like that tries to gain entry to your house or vehicle, use whatever force is necessary to protect yourself.

  3. Well done Jon. It is good for the Stealth Danger to show his true colors. I’m still waiting for the antis to condemn his words. Fortunately there have been a few that have indicated discontent at his message. However, the Smith-Shiva-Oz-Mercola et al group are silent, with Shiva only promoting his work.

    • FTA: “The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, besieged by complaints from targets and the science and journalism communities, immediately launched an investigation of Adams and the site, with Adams facing possible felony charges of inciting violence (if he lived in a Europe or a Commonwealth country like the U.K., he would probably already have been served).”

  4. I became aware of danger of Adams/Natural News was when I came upon Doreen Virtue posting on FB not to get flu shots – one of her post encouraged people to use elderberries..She used a Natural News article to support of her elderberry angel message thing . I wrote John Holland & Reid Tracy who I had already written about Virtue’s false suicide statement given in Seattle in ’12 & warned them Virtue telling people flu shots were unsafe could cause someone not to get a flu shot who needed one to survive and it could kill.. Neither did anything… Natural News is extremist . I have seen posts on their FB actively encouraging people to get off their anti-depressant meds.. https://www.facebook.com/DoreenVirtue444/posts/557442077630441

    • They’re also chemtrail believers and Sandy Hook deniers. Every newsworthy tragedy worldwide is peddled to their followers as a false-flag operation designed in one way or another to remove freedoms from Americans.

      • I am floored at what Hay House allows its authors to plug as from the angels.. Doreen Virtue plugging Natural News to her fan base.. would be taken that angels are leading them there.. I have never seen so much conspiracy stuff seriously presented as on Natural News..

          • Open your eyes! Read some facts. Stop listening to the controlled mainstream media. Unless you want the latest on Justin Bieber.

          • Facts don’t exist on Natural News.

            I see that in your view, Natural News is gospel, and anyone who doesn’t worship at the alter of Mike Adams must be a MSM consumer who follows the life of Justin Bieber.

            Seems logical.

          • There are many alternative news sites that refute the party line on the main stream media. Facts do exist but in your narrow mind that would be illogical. Being a “free thinker” should not be a negative. Finding all the information is the way to make an informed decision.

          • For example, vaccine ingredients are listed on the package inserts as are side effects. Nobody actually reads them, but refutes that they could cause harm. Vaccines contain aluminum, formaldehyde,and msg. These are all known human toxins. Why would we inject them over and over into infants? If they say no, they are safe and do not cause any damage to the brain, you believe it. There is no common sense involved anymore.

          • OK, so you’re an anti-vaxxer with no knowledge of toxicology or physiology. Thanks for sharing.

            Watch out for the chemtrails!

          • That’s what I thought, you cannot answer the question, only insults and mockery. What knowledge do you have of toxicology or physiology? I am a Pharmacy Technician and I have also read the inserts. Have you?

          • My deodorant has none, yet it safely keeps me dry and odor free. Do you really believe the products they make are all safe and toxin free? I have abridge to sell you.

          • They = companies that make the products we use every day. Do not condescend me. Start reading labels, look up the ingredients and know what you are putting on your body or worse, in your body. Ignorance is not bliss.

          • So you are asking me if there are any companies that make a product that is not safe? I’m sure that there are. It is not a sound argument though to say that some companies make things that are not safe, so therefore we should ban GMOs.

          • We should ban GMO’s because the are not safe and we do not yet even know the outcomes of this technology. There are too many chemicals being invented and put into our environment and food without proper safety tests or long term studies.Corporate greed is rampant. If you think this is ok then you are fool.

          • Slight problems with your hypotheses: 1) Humans have been eating genetically modified foods for almost 30,000 years. That’s a big sign they’re safe. 2) Despite what the SCOTUS said in the Hobby Lobby ruling, corporations are not people, therefore, they cannot be greedy.

          • Not the same. GM foods now are made resistant to herbicides by crossing the DNA to make them resistant. Now they can apply large amounts of herbicide to the plants without hurting them. Now they also need to make stronger and stronger herbicides to combat super weeds and super pests. Corporations not greedy, laughable!

          • You’re right. They can apply large amounts of herbicide to the plants. Thing is, they do not. Why would they want to waste money on over spraying their crops? You’re biologically resistant to fresh water. Would you chug five gallons of it?

            Now they also need to make stronger and stronger herbicides to combat super weeds and super pests.

            You do realize that this is silly, right? For one, “super” pests (weeds are a type of pest, ask a farmer) are a myth created by concrete farmers. Also, pests have always evolved to be more resistant to pesticides. This isn’t new to farmers. Just city folk who’d have a conniption if they smelled a cow fart.

            Corporations not greedy, laughable!

            How can a tax status feel? Seriously.

          • On the contrary, the use is skyrocketing. The use of neonics is killing our bees, butterflies and birds. This is also causing the older more toxic herbicides to be resurrected to combat these super weeds and pests. See Dr, Seidler’s study, not a cow’s fart. Exxon, Monsanto and Dow are not “tax status’s” they are large working, polluting, and greedy corporations. But that’s ok with you since you are their mouthpiece.

          • The shill gambit. This tells me you have nothing of substance to actually contribute. Thanks for making that clear.

            One last thing: Look for real science websites. If they have a store, they’re not real science, but excrement.

          • All of Natural News’ articles are backed by real articles in the footnotes. They are based on real studies. If you cannot see that then maybe you are the shillster. I am not getting paid by anyone are you? Last time I checked all the news corps advertise to support themselves. So according to you, the networks are all lying also. Did you even look at Dr. Seidler’s study? Of course not, that would require you to think independently.

          • Natural News’ stuff is made up by the Stealth Danger himself. Also, I wasn’t talking about the news corps, which do lie. I said science websites. Pubmed. The Cochrane Library. Genetic Literacy Project. Ask The Farmers. The closest they come to a store is a donation button.

            One of the ways the news corps lies is by making it seem like there’s an actual debate to things that scientists see as settled facts: Evolution, human-caused climate change, vaccine safety, GMO safety, contrails are not chemtrails.

            Natural News, on the other hand, is a complete an utter hoax. Adams has made himself rich off of making you afraid of safe things, and then selling you peace of mind. And, of course, he also succeeds because of friend marketing. He makes you afraid of X. Sells you cure Y, which not only cures X, but rids you of mysterious toxins – which, by the way, are never defined – you buy it, and due to his talent at bullcrap spin, you think you feel better. Your feeling better most likely was due to the orgasm you had before drinking or eating his product (or maybe after), but thanks to immediacy, you think it is due to the product. So, you promptly tell your friends about this amazing product (that you learned about from another friend, probably), and when they express doubt or uncertainty, you direct them to his website which is full of bogus, or flawed “studies.” Because your friend trusts you she’s already primed to believe the crap there.

            And yes. I did look at that study. However, I’m afraid I’ve got some bad news: It doesn’t say what you think it does.

            One more thing: Another sign that a website isn’t a real science one? Look in the comments for dissenting opinion, if it is there, it’s a good chance it is a real science website. If not, there’s a better than even chance that it is not. Scientists thrive on dissent while pseudoscience thrives on an echo chamber extolling their virtues.

          • The only one here that is full of crap is you and your narrow mind. As I said, the footnotes are on the bottom of each article. Pubmed is an indexing site. And everything Dr Seidler said is true. GMO”s are not only dangerous to our environment and health, they are a failure. Injecting aluminum and formaldehyde and msg among other things into an infant is not “safe”. If you never question the establishment then you are a fool.

          • April just wanted to give you some support. I try to wake folks up too. I get mocked and ridiculed as well. They think they are so smart and have no idea they are advancing to 1984 scenario. Time will tell but it will be too late by then. Keep your chin up.

          • Thank you Carla, We must stay strong, the truth is on our side. I know there are many others who feel the same and question authority

          • Did you ever stop to think that the vaccines may not be as foolproof as they say? Why are they now saying we older people must get more booster shots? There have been instances where the vaccines they produced were defective. Note the last flu vaccine. They said that we would all get the swine flu if we did not get the shot. A little over 100 measles outbreaks in a country of 320 million is not an epidemic.

          • No one is saying vaccines are foolproof, you nutter. Each vaccine had differing levels of efficacy. However, if you have a cluster of 100 people vaccinated with MMR, for example, it wouldn’t matter that it didn’t take for 5 of them. They’d be covered by the protection of the other 95. That’s known as herd immunity.

            A little over 100 measles outbreaks in a country of 320 million is not an epidemic.

            You might want to count again. According to the CDC, it’s over 100 cases in California ‘s Orange County alone.

          • No according to the CDC there have been 154 cases in 17 states in 2015. Herd immunity is not true, only in natural immunity does is hold water.Vaccines only last from 2-10 yrs so most of the herd have been running around without immunity for many years according to the Medical Council on Vaccinations. The modern day vaccination industry is run on fairy tales and fear. Look it up, the site is legit. Nutter.

          • We have already proven that anyone can graph anything they want. See my previous argument. I already gave you a legitimate answer above from a legit site. I do not want to re-argue what I have already argued. If you have something new to offer, then offer it.

          • I missed out on some action here..

            Wow. What a derpalanche from April. You do know there’s more formaldehyde in a pear than in a vaccine, don’t you, April?

          • 10 to 20% of the population may be susceptible to formaldehyde allergies and may react acutely to any dose given. It is an oxidised form which leads to acidosis according to the National Research Council, Mr. Derpalanche.

          • What else should we call it? The “controlled media” or “the only news fed to the public on the networks”? Why is anyone who does not agree with the sheep a “lunatic”? Freedom from England was once considered lunacy.

          • The Revolutionaries didn’t ignore the evidence.

            As for why y’all are lunatics? Because, irony, of ironies, you’re bitching about the safety of that which you’ve had, and benefited from.

            Say, remember that time when you were a kid and got polio and then a few months later, smallpox? No? Vaccines!

          • Didn’t ignore the evidence? It is because they questioned authority we live America today. I have nothing against the childhood vaccines given in 1967. It is now that scares me.

          • They didn’t ignore the evidence that they were being taxed without representation in Parlament. Not because they questioned authority. Had guys like Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and company been sitting in the House of Lords, we’d probably still be subjects of the Crown.

          • Let’s see, who was taxing without representation? Um, the Monarchy? Who fought the revolutionary war? corporations? no, revolutionaries. As in, question authority.

          • It is now that scares me.

            And that is the crux of the matter. You’re scared because of con artists like Mike Adams, Alex Jones, Andrew Wakefield and company. That’s understandable. You were lead to them by someone you trusted who was also terrified.

            Next time you go to the doctor, or pediatrician, ask them to take a few minutes and break down in small words what vaccines are and how they work. I say ask them to use small words because doctors, like most scientists, tend to forget they’re not talking to other scientists and will throw out works like “tympanic membrane,” “Lymphatic System,” “immunoglobin,” words that if you’re unfamiliar with them, sound like a foreign language, and are scary sounding.

            Do not listen to a homeopath, naturopath, or chiropractor. At best, their stuff will be harmless, and at worse, they’ll tell you something like Black Salve will do something like cure cancer but will actually do stuff like this (warning, graphic images):
            http://tinyurl.com/prx3nx8

          • And this concludes our public health (propaganda) comment. Thank you, Mr. Foster. So you say do not read the package inserts but listen to doctors who apparently do not?

          • Package inserts are thee for anyone willing to read them, which most do not. As a Pharmacy Tech, we read them. You probably don’t read food labels either.

          • You stated that package inserts are not based in truth. Then you changed your stance to only people who are smart enough to comprehend them should read them. Your walking into the wall story on Cialis was where it all started and should have ended.

          • I never said they were not based in truth. I said the following: They were written by the folks you say cannot be trusted; that Cialis has in its insert that walking into walls may be a side effect of taking it – and I explained how and why that is; I said the odds of those adverse reactions happening to you would be like winning the lottery three times in a row; And, I said that they are written for those that understand them.

            At no point did I say they weren’t based in truth.

          • First of all your message “magically” disappeared from the previous conversations so i have no reference. No, your lottery theory is incorrect and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation website says otherwise. As to the people writing them, I cannot choose who writes them, but the fact that they must include them is evidence enough. It is very arrogant of you to say that only people who understand them should read them. You defend very dirty people who do not care if they hurt children, all that matters is the bottom line.

          • It didn’t “magically” disappear, it was never there to begin with. I stand by all of my comments, even when I’m later shown to have them wrong. Hell, I’m a scientist, I want to be wrong. That’s how we get to the best answers.

            , your lottery theory is incorrect and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation website says otherwise.

            Your math is very wrong. Don’t feel bad, I suck at math too. However, consider this: One billion (1,000,000,000) vaccines have been given out. One thousand (1,000) awards have been given by the easiest court system in the world. Compare the two numbers. A simple way to discover the odds is to take the smaller number (1,000) and subtract the same number of zeros from the larger one (1,000,000,000) and what you’re left with – in the case 1,000,000 – and put a one with a colon in from and those would be your approximate odds. So, 1:1,000,000. Looks like lottery odds to me. And that’s for winning a case, not for actual “injury.”

            As to the people writing them, I cannot choose who writes them, but the fact that they must include them is evidence enough.

            Evidence of what? That the manufacturers are doing the opposite of what you’re claiming? That is, informing doctors as to what to be aware of what might happen?

            My point is, and continues to be: You say you don’t trust the manufacturers of vaccines because of nebulous reasons – wait. Sorry, they are “very dirty people who do not care if they hurt children,” yet you are trusting them to be honest with what is on the inserts that they wrote. What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to make that work?

            You defend very dirty people who do not care if they hurt children, all that matters is the bottom line.

            Two problems with this hypothesis: 1) If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t make vaccines, nor would have ways for kids to get them for free in the US (I don’t know about other first world nations).
            2) They make more treating the disease than preventing it. Consider: The MMR vaccine costs, with no insurance, $140. Let’s say I choose not to get it because of the chemikills, and instead I get measles. I’m one of the really lucky ones who has to go to the hospital. Here in Maryland, where I live, average daily cost of a hospital stay is $2,000. The average length of a hospital stay for measles is about a week, barring further complications. That comes to $14,000. Looks like a 1400% increase?

            So, which do you think if more profitable for them?

          • First of all, your message did disappear. But maybe they just purge the bad ones. Anyway, The only reason there are package inserts is because the FDA requires them, not because of your benevolent pharmaceutical companies. Did you ever stop to think about the families of the vaccine injured children? How much do you think they have to spend on care? It is a lot more than a visit to the hospital for measles. I guess that does not matter to you. The vaccine manufacturers make billions on these vaccines, make no mistake. They have plans for a lot more also in the future. They are not in a charitable business, all that matters is the bottom line. You are either very naive or you work for them.

          • First of all, your message did disappear.

            How can something disappear that never existed?

            But maybe they just purge the bad ones

            This is a scientific site. Dissenting opinion is not deleted. Neither is incorrect or misleading. Which is why yours are still here. Were this the website of Mercola or the Stealth Danger, Mike Adams, though, the dissenting ones would be deleted.

            The only reason there are package inserts is because the FDA requires them, not because of your benevolent pharmaceutical companies.

            No, that’s not the only reason. That’s one reason out of many. There’s also the reason I listed above: They do it to inform doctors what possible side effects to look out for.

            Did you ever stop to think about the families of the vaccine injured children?

            The real ones? Do they actually exist? I’ve not seen genuine evidence any are real. I’ve seen about 25 commenters say their kids were “vaccine injured,” but without access to the children’s medical records… well, I say I’m God.

            How much do you think they have to spend on care? It is a lot more than a visit to the hospital for measles.

            See my last response. Also, if any truly believe their children were harmed by vaccines, there’s this little place called the “Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims,” colloquially known as the “Vaccine Court.” They have a very low threshold of evidentiary burden of proof, and you can file until you get tired of it, or you get compensated. Guess what? It doesn’t cost the families a penny.

            The vaccine manufacturers make billions on these vaccines, make no mistake.

            Prove it.

            They have plans for a lot more also in the future.

            That’s a good thing. Vaccines save lives. They prevent suffering.

            They are not in a charitable business, all that matters is the bottom line.

            No, you’re confusing them with Mike Adams, Joe Mercola, Andy Wakefield, et al.

            You are either very naive or you work for them.

            Neither, actually. I’m a scientist by hobby and an author by trade. I’ve mentioned this in my comments above. Did you forget?

          • @disqus_nei5f4afXI:disqus Mr. Foster is right, just because you can read it does not mean you can understand it. For example, when you buy electrical parts they come with a circuit diagram, you can read it all you want, but the part that matters do you understand it.

            Its technical, its not written in layman terms, and every interaction you do in life has some associated risk. Its admirable you want to do what is best for your children, however vaccines have been proven safe. Its not 100% safe, nothing is.

            For example lets look at airplanes, when you get on a airplane a chance exists that it could be your last. However, that is like 1:100,000,000. Odds also increase because you have a pilot who is probably well trained. A mechanic staff that is well trained, and flight crew that is well trained.

            You should never be trusting too much of anyone. But comedians are not a source of scientifically valid information. Scientists, Doctors, Researchers.

            You want to know something about medicene, is that it won’t work all the time. And it is a field that is learning new stuff. But you want to know an intresting story. Steve Jobs was diagnoised with Pancriatic Cancer, the doctors told him to get surgery to remove or excise the cancer, he choose not to and used some type of homeopathic medicene thing. He thought he knew better than a doctor. What was the result? The man died… When he wanted to have the surgery he waited too long. That is not to say that had he had the surgery he would of been magically cured moderen medicene is not there.

            But had he had it, when it — it was viable he might of added a decade or two longer to his life, cause his chances would of went up. If

          • Safe and effective, ya right tell that to the dead people. When you stop to question the establishment, you learn things. I do listen to doctors, not comedians. The people you listen to are drones that spew the company line. I listen to people who look closer and dare to say it even when it risks their career or livelihood. That is character. The talking heads have no character.

          • Say with with me: Doza delayet yad, La dose fait le poison, La dosis hace el veneno, Jìliàng shǐ dúyào, Tōyo-ryō wa, doku o tsukuru.

            “What the hell is that?”

            Glad you asked. That is the famous toxicology and chemistry saying, “The dose makes the poison,” in Russian, French, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese.

            The infant produces, in it’s own body, formaldehyde. Far more than is in any vaccine. Aluminum is the second most abundant element on the planet, making up 8% of the earth’s crust. You breathe in far more aluminum than is in any vaccine. By the way, what you’re thinking of, elemental aluminum, isn’t in the vaccines. It is aluminum salts. Making something a salt, means making it able to dissolve in a liquid which reduces its toxicity. That aluminum you breath in daily? Elemental aluminum. far more toxic. Repeat the mantra above.

            Monosodium glutamate (MSG, also known as sodium glutamate) is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, one of the most abundant naturally occurring non-essential amino acids. MSG is found in tomatoes, Parmesan, potatoes, mushrooms, and other vegetables and fruits. Which means it is safe in moderation. See the mantra at the beginning.

            If you never question the establishment then you are a fool.

            I agree. I’m a scientist by hobby. I question the establishment. Why wouldn’t I? There’s a Nobel Prize in it for me if I disprove any of the current theories. Even better? There’s a kind of immortality in doing so as well. But, in order for me to do so, I must provide compelling, strong evidence.

            However, if you always question it, without training? You’re a bigger fool. Look, if you want to overspend on food because you have more money than sense, that is one thing and fine with me.

            If you do not protect your children – if you have any – that is completely different and not so fine with me. The only reason you should not vaccinate your kids is if your pediatrician says it is Medically Inadvisable, or they’re too young. If they do, or have, then you make absolutely certain everyone who comes in contact with them is vaccinated.

            Vaccines are safe. Vaccines save lives.

          • Stay with me here, 25 injections in California before the age of 15 months. In some states, even more. That number is growing. What are we going to vaccinate for next? The common cold? Human aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, who knows what that can do to an infant. I have children and I do them a favor by questioning the establishment. If my son got autism because i did not do the research and blindly listened to the sheep of the world, I would be at fault. I look to the people that do the research and question the establishment. I listen to the voices of the parents whose children have been affected by vaccines. You may be a scientist but you are still a sheep. I do not overspend on food just because I do not buy junk for my family. You are what you eat.

          • 25 injections in California before the age of 15 months.

            You might want to recount. Remember: Combination shots – ala TDaP and MMR – are still one. They don’t get counted separately.

            What are we going to vaccinate for next? The common cold?

            If we could figure out a safe & effective one, why the hell not? Are you going to try to tell me that you enjoy suffering from an illness?

            Human aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, who knows what that can do to an infant.

            Cell line. Not the tissue. Means it’s a descendant. As to what it can do to an infant, nothing. I know, you’re gonna say, “How do you know, and what’s it in there for?” The answers are simple, in the case of how I know, and more complex in the case of why they’re there. We’ll start with how I know: The cell line was started way back in 1960. Which means we’ve had 55 years o see that these cell cultures are safe.

            Why they’re there: Cell culture is the process by which cells are grown under controlled conditions, generally outside of their natural environment. In practice, the term “cell culture” now refers to the culturing of cells derived from multicellular eukaryotes, especially animal cells. However, there are also cultures of plants, fungi, insects and microbes, including viruses, bacteria and protists. The historical development and methods of cell culture are closely interrelated to those of tissue culture and organ culture.

            The laboratory technique of maintaining live cell lines (a population of cells derived from a single cell and containing the same genetic makeup) separated from their original tissue source became more robust in the middle 20th century which is how we’ve been able to maintain them since 1960.

            I have children and I do them a favor by questioning the establishment.

            Not in this case. Not only do you risk them suffering from these preventable diseases, you risk the much longer lasting side effects and death. Why do you want your children to suffer needlessly? I thought you cared about them.

            If my son got autism because i did not do the research and blindly listened to the sheep of the world, I would be at fault.

            Why do you sick freaks act like those of us with autism are horrible monsters that must be avoided at all costs? So much so you’d rather your child risk dying than be like us? I’m afraid I’ve got some bad news: Looking back with what we know now? Einstein was autistic. So was Stephen Jobs. Michelangelo Bonaroti. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Isaac Newton. Charles Darwin. Thomas Jefferson. Lewis Carroll. Hans Christen Anderson. James Joyce. Nikola Tesla.

            Further bad news: With the exception of Jobs, Einstein and Joyce, all lived before vaccines were invented.

            I look to the people that do the research and question the establishment

            No, you listen to charlatans and their victims. Because they appeal to your emotions, you listen closely.

            Before vaccines were invented, VPDs killed billions. Since their introduction in first world nations (where it’s easy to get vaccines) VPDs have killed maybe 200 people?

            It is easy to question the successful.

            . I listen to the voices of the parents whose children have been affected by vaccines.

            There have been 3 billion vaccines given out since their creation. Meanwhile, there have been maybe 1,000 harmed (which is what you meant, not affected). Last I checked 1,000,000,000,000 < 1,000.

            I do not overspend on food just because I do not buy junk for my family.

            No, you overspend because you’ve been successfully marketed to. You’ve bought into the corporate lies that “Organic uses no pesticides,” and “Organic is healthier.”

            You are what you eat.

            This is one of the silliest slogans ever invented. I really wish I knew how it came into everyday usage.

            The fact is, you’re a human. You’ll always be human. Nothing can change that.

          • The vaccines are 25 and i did count them as combo vaccines. See the vaccine chart for doctors. Are you serious you think we should never get an illness? Nobody likes to be sick, of course, but we need to naturally strengthen our immune systems, not pump more vaccines into our bodies for forced immunity. They really do not know what the fetal tissue does to the human body when injected. New studies state that the DNA in vaccines is taken up by cells and recombined into the genome. This causes inflammation of the brain. See the study by Ratajczak. The point is really that we do not know what causing the rate of autism to go sky high. The cell culture in a lab is quite different from it’s actual effect on the human brain of an infant. Aspergers and full blown autism are not the same. I do not think any child would choose to have autism, so do not read me the riot act. First of all, you have made an assumption, that I do not believe in vaccination. I believe in a limited amount of vaccinations for truly life threatening diseases. Not a free reign for big pharma to inject our children as many times as they want and then get the public in a witchhunt to go after those who do not comply. If their vaccines work so well the vaccinated should have no worries anyway. If you put garbage into your body the fact is that you will get sick. Meaning, you are what you eat. Truth. Organic is not perfect, but the practices the farmers use are much better for the environment. I only buy the dirty dozen in organic produce. Organic meat is definitely better than factory farmed and hormone injected antibiotic infused meat. I read all the labels for artificial preservatives and other chemicals. Whole foods are always better than processed. Eating organic helps the planet. I often find that the “smartest” people who throw big words around, lack common sense.

          • This is so biased it ain’t even funny. Where do they get these doctors “quack.com”? They are breaking their own code of ethics if they force vaccination. First of all, this is not 1950, they had 7 vaccines for deadly illnesses by age 6. Now we have increased that by 414%. It is totally out of control. These doctors let the vaccine industry say how many is safe. They do not even think for themselves any more. Now why don’t you go and read the package insert from Merck’s MMR vaccine. St Judes just came out saying you should keep your child away from newly vaccinated people because of shedding if they have cancer. What does that say to you? probably nothing, you are too busy watching “Breaking Bad” .

          • Argumentum ad package insert. lol. Nice fallacy. Wanna know what’s truly hilarious about said fallacy? Before I tell you my favorite anecdote about package inserts, allow me to drop some more bad news on you: The folks that write the package inserts are the same folks who make them, ie: The folks you say can’t be trusted.

            ROFLMAO. I love irony, don’t you?

            Now, back to my anecdote about what is written on the inserts. A few years back, before it came to market, I was involved in a pharmacokinetics study for Cialis. These studies are what leads to what’s put in the inserts. Anyhoo, while on the phone with my then girlfriend, after dosing, I was pacing the halls of the facility, not watching where I was going. I ended up walking into a wall. When I returned to my dorm room, a study nurse spotted the red mark on my forehead and asked what had happened. When I told her, she opened up my file and wrote “Walked into wall,” as an Adverse Event. So, if you read the package insert for Cialis, it will say, “May cause walking into walls.”

            Something to keep in mind next time you try the Argument From Package Insert logical fallacy.

          • So let me get this straight, you say the package inserts in the vaccinations are not true? The side effects listed are not real??? Funny how that works in your favor. Better alert the media.

          • Please re-read my comments.

            As for the package inserts, the odds of those events happening to you are greater than you winning the lottery. Actually, going off those odds, you’d be more likely to win the lottery three times.

          • April45 Foster’s a shill for evil corporations ignore him he’s either very evil or ignorant.

          • You are correct he said he was part of a vaccine study then he later acted like he never said it. Thanks

          • April, There exists no link between vaccines and autism. Please, please do some research. The paper that suggested this link has been panned by the scientific community.

            Whooping cough, meseals (which has come back into play because parents are not vaccinating their children. The outbreak at Disneyland comes to mind)

            True, medicene has risks, if you don’t want to vacinate your kids fine dont. However, please don’t bring them to resturants or to theme parks, home school them and put a sign on them that says uncleaned, so i know to stay away.

          • First stick to going to Disneyland,where you belong. And second, learn how to spell medicine and measles before you tell others what to do about them. Keep listening to the mainstream media and being their lackey.

          • There is a ton of research, but if you choose to not believe experts in their field then no one can help you. You can question their evidence all you want but here is the thing about science it does not really care what you think, nor what i think. It does not deal in absolutes or has politics.

            But there is very weak evidence that vaccines cause autism. However, we do know with certainty that if children are not vaccinated then we can have them contract small pox, polio, etc. Now, i think your argument has some merit with regards to vaccinating for too many things. I kind of draw the line at HPV and I do not get yearly vaccines for flu shot, because i have anecdotal evidence it makes me have the flu, also I am young (thirty) so I would rather the old and those with the weak immune system have my vaccine.

            However, I am not naive enough to believe that vaccines cause, autism or any such nonsense.

            Causation != Correlation.

          • Who is to say that your “science” is true and the science alternative doctors give is not? Why is only the mainstream science the true one in your eyes? I am not against vaccination, I am against too many, and I am against the toxins in them being injected into babies and children. If we say children must be forced to get vaccines or no school, what is next? adults? unlimited new vaccines required for all? Is that your wish? This is crazy and we need to say no and demand only necessary and safe vaccines given at a safe age. Why would anyone be against that?

          • Because the “science” alternative doctors provide is not based on randomised, controlled trials or any accepted trial format that is statistically weighted to provide a legitimate answer. Opinion is not fact and a pharmacy assistant is not a doctor.

          • no proof of autism from vaccines. zero. and by the way. the statistics overwhelmingly support the use of vaccines to prevent childhood illnesses like polio or whooping cough.

          • Yeah ok and there are no side effects either. Like the guy here in Sacramento that was a volunteer for Richard Pan (SB 277) for 7 years then he got the DTap now he is paralyzed with guillain-barre syndrome. Why don’t you ask him about safe and effective.

          • It’s pointless arguing with these idiots April45. They’ll believe anything their infallible corporate idols tell them. They live in a little bubble where nobody is capable of greed or corruption. They’re dumb as hell, and I’m ashamed to have to share a planet with them. Keep trying to educate fools, but you aren’t going to get anywhere. They’re beyond recovery.

          • I think you will find that many of us do very much agree with greed and corruption…to the extent that we also notice it in the big corporations that sell many of these ‘natural products’ without the need to prove their efficacy. I prefer to base my opinion on research articles rather than naturalnews.com (after all, they don’t need to sell stuff to fund the site, but somehow they do…hmmm, now isn’t that a coincidence, but I bet you feel it is a public service right?) I am sure that good ol’ Mike is making no money at all and is doing all of this for charity.

          • The overpriced food manufactors must love you. I’m not ready to buy bunch of broccoli for 5$ just yet i save that for the half gallon of organic milk cause i cant find it raw due to the conspiracy to keep people sick

          • April, even NaturalNews does not believe in what they print, have you ever read the disclaimer?

            Here is the part about their professional advice:

            No information on this site is intended as, or shall be construed as, legal, financial, medical or expert advice of any kind. NaturalNews is not responsible for typographical errors, editing errors, or news source errors. THE NaturalNews NETWORK STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT YOU SEEK ADVICE FROM A COMPETENT PROFESSIONAL REGARDING ISSUES IN ANY PROFESSIONAL FIELD.

            Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/Terms.html#ixzz3SzZoGyqI

          • Disclaimers are on everything, otherwise anyone could sue for the silliest of reasons. Have you read a vaccine insert lately or listened to the side effects of a medication advertised on tv? If you do not know that, then I give up.

          • Thats because there are so many side effects on these “meds” Who would you contact? Anyone who actually reads the inserts would think twice before injecting them into their child. Even most “doctors” don’t question anything. If the vaccine companies or the FDA say it, then it is gospel.

          • The risk of getting a side effect on a vaccine is less than 1%. They are by law required to list anything that could possibly go wrong, unlike natural products. So let us look at some side effects: Foxglove can cause irregular heart function and death. Signs of foxglove poisoning include stomach upset, small eye pupils, blurred vision, strong slow pulse, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, excessive urination, fatigue, muscle weakness and tremors, stupor, confusion, convulsions, abnormal heartbeats, and death.
            Belladonna Side Effects. Side effects include: Drowsiness, xerostomia, tachycardia, palpitation, dizziness, nervousness, urinary hesitancy and retention, decreased sweating, constipation, increased ocular tension, photophobia, blurred vision, mydriasis.
            Just because something is natural does not mean it is safe and does not have side effects. The difference is that those selling natural products do not put this in the box.

          • They are making it punitive to not take things like vaccines, therefore forcing the side effects on the public and innocent children. Gee, all the lawsuits on the television are from mainstream pharmaceuticals not natural products, I wonder why. I am a victim of a medical device that is now poisoning my body and Bayer is protected from lawsuits, I wish I would have gone natural.

          • “They” ? You sound like a professional victim. Yeah, you “should have” gone “natural,” whatever that means, but you immediately blame a “mainstream pharmaceutical company” for “poisoning” you. Sweet. And if you’d been poisoned from belladonna or foxglove? With, as the poster above points out, zero info about side effects? You would….what, give them a pass for being poisoned because you think they’re “natural” ? You have a very strange way of thinking, and of blaming convenient, but unlikely, scapegoats for your own situation.

          • Professional victim, no. Victim yes. You have no idea idea what I have been through because of this so called “safe” device. Shill.I worked in the industry and I know how the big pharm operates. You make me sick sticking up for them, defending an industry that hurts people so that they can increase the bottom line. All they are is a glorified cartel.

          • You have not answered my question, April. I will repeat. Please answer. The question: Is it true that you are perfectly ok with taking “natural” products, like those listed in Dippidydot’s excellent post above, that can lead to death, with no labels indicating that, with no oversight or testing, and you actually feel safer and healthier with that?
            If so, you are a naive little fool and a sucker for the very large and very profitable unregulated “naturopathic” industry “cartel.”
            Answer. Or not. But do not be a hypocrite as well as a waaaah-waaaaah victim.

          • Yes, I do feel safe. I have never had a reaction to anything my NP has given me. On the contrary, I have had problems from the mindless medications and “safe and effective” pharmaceuticals given to me. The allopathic community never wants to find out the cause of an illness, just give out drugs to cover them up. All of the nutraceuticals I buy say to consult your physician. The big pharma people are just mad cause they are cutting into the profits now. Just like the food industry feeling threatened by organics, now they are getting into the industry themselves. You sound angry, did I hit a nerve? PS, a victim does nothing, I fight back, waaah yourself.

          • Safe with untested, unregulated stuff with no ingredients tested. OK, you did answer my question. Weird, but whateva. Your choice. Best wishes.

          • Untested? I don’t think so. I buy from very safe distributors. I don’t buy crap. But the so called safe medical device in me was sold by a company that used a not so kosher company to make the product components. So as far as trusting the pharmaceutical companies, I would think twice. Good day.

          • Adding another comment, April. Your standard is quite low, waiting to see if you have “…had a reaction to anything…” your NP has given you. Pretty trusting, pretty mindless. Yet it is you, and others of your ilk, who constantly shriek “You haven’t proven XYZ to be safe!” when referring to GE foods and vaccines. You and your ilk say, “How do we know it won’t hurt us down the road?” Yet you are willfully and purposefully blind when it comes to just taking whatever your NP or current woomaster on TV or internet suggests, brainlessly. How incredibly hypocritical, how illogical, how unscientific, how “corporate conspiracy think.” You are a victim indeed, of your willfully chosen ignorance.

          • Your so called safe and sound products have killed a lot of people. Now they are pulling the polio vaccines because of a cancer virus? hmm sounds real safe to me.As for your GM foods being safe, you cannot mess with genetics in food and expect there to be no consequences. Be careful who you sleep with.

          • Genetically modified food crops are safe. Testing on surrogate animals (rat, mouse, rabbit, dog), as well as studies in vitro (without animals) have demonstrated no harm from any transgenetically modified organism, regardless of whether it is of plant or animal source. In contrast, the library of toxicology studies on naturally occurring plants is extensive. I have read that literature. I would not look to unregulated natural homeopathic substances to cure what ails me. That does not mean that every synthetic medical substance or device is completely safe. It simply means that in terms of relative risk, there is less from the regulated materials than from raw natural ones.

          • So pathetic hat a self important, self appointed “expert” has to call people “naive” if they do not like low quality food.

          • Wow. Never noticed that. Can you imagine the NY Times or Washington Post putting that on their web site? Not exactly a paragon of journalistic integrity.

          • It certainly does. That’s why you should verify for yourself. It doesn’t take much research before you come to the conclusion that Nat News is nothing more than a sensationalist rag trying to attract eyes to to their site in order to sell any number of snake oil products.

          • Cross pollination is not GMO as it is done today with different species of plants and animals.
            Corporations are treated as people in the USA ! Haven’t you read up on that yet ? The US Supreme Court granted them that status and they can now donate $$$$$$ to any party at any time for whatever reason.

          • The first genetically modified plant was produced in 1983. 30,000 years???? Where did you get that information? It must have come out of your a_s.

          • I suppose it okay for the energy mongrols to have thier greed for over 100 years but thats okay right wouldnt want to make thier kids starve right ? The world is a scam setup to bilk people out of resources and make them too busy to notice !! IHMO

          • Then properly inform me and make a substantive statement, instead of just lobbing content free insults. The choice is yours.

          • Yes, I’m starting to see you are paranoid. Good luck going outside, 8% of the earth’s crust is aluminum, you can’t avoid it.

            Watch out for the chemtrails!

          • The Earths’ crust may contain 8% aluminum -but whatever you do ingest from eating is taken off by your digestive tract. What is injected into your blood-stream stays in your body and ends up harming your organs. The same with mercury or any other poisons.

          • Do the world a favor and get as many vaccines as you can. Let us know what you want for an obituary before you get vaccinated your brain may be to damaged to honor that request after you get vaccinated,

          • Sorry I should proof read. Glad I made you laugh. Doesn’t take much to make an immature brain laugh.

          • The pharmacists at a local drug store admitted to the other employees that they would never take the flu vaccine.

          • April45, you’re a trooper. (Not a literal one), but one who stands true facing these paid egos, kept your head up, with a fun approach, revealing how pro and respectful you were versus the lost losers who bought into their chemical company products and the deficient mentality that comes with. Good on ya.

            Obviously the one who removed his comments is a sore loser, but better sore than sold. Maybe soreness is part of the process of their awakening. ;)

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          • I once debated with a pediatrician on the safety of vaccines at a lecture he gave at a local hospital and I buried him. Doctors are clueless concerning vaccines. I’ll gladly debate any doctor, in a public forum, concerning the safety of vaccines and I’ll make him look like an idiot.

          • I doubt it, since you used too many commas in your opening sentence.

            That’s one of the filters. People that get into med school can pass college freshman English. Your first sentence shows that you couldn’t make the cut.

          • Yep.

            And I get how they can’t use English effectively. But they should have some useful skill. I’m not seeing whatever skill that might be, though.

            Maybe crash test dummy? Freight ship ballast?

          • Zamboni!

            I have a great zamboni story, and if I am ever drunk commenting I will tell you it, but lets just say that I am not welcome in Great Falls Montana, anymore.

          • You know, I kinda felt bad about boxing this guy’s ears, since he’s probably not even eligible for the special olympics, but he dredged up a three month old post.

            So he had it coming.

          • switch to non-aluminum deoderant and gt a cholirine/fluoride filter for the shower too right is this the right way to defnd ourselves against the agenda 21 nwo

          • Let me just eyeroll at the msg as a known toxin. Pfft. That must be why they are dropping like flies in Asian countries. Your belief system is based on fear and woo.

          • Maybe it’s because I know a thing or two about sheep and wool production. Are you following actual actual agro and food science or just social media pseudo science. Have you ever produced actual food crops for sale? There’s more than one breed of sheep in the world, sista and some are smarter than others.

          • I am following common sense. It never lets me down. Pesticides/herbicides are toxic to humans as well as animals, it’s elementary. It does not matter what breed of sheep, they all follow each other. and I am not your “sista”.

          • I’ll tell you this. Natural News is where I go for all my health products. I want to be sure what I am taking and the efficacy and cleanliness of his products have been proven. He tests every batch that comes in and has a high tech lab. You can believe what you want, and keep eating glyphosates and drinking fluoride. I prefer to err on the safe side. Anyway, if you don’t like his site, don’t go there. Free country.

      • Interestingly, many pilots in the military believe in Chem Trails too because they’ve laid them. lol Many commercial pilots believe in them as well. As well as many meteorologists. In fact, the Governors of some States believe in them so much that they say they cannot comment on them. Go figure. I guess there are kooks and quacks around every corner. Remember that next time you go to get on a commercial jet. ;)

          • No. I mean several. The ones who know about it and aren’t afraid to speak out about it. You have to understand that job security plays a very big role in pilots keeping their mouths shut. Especialy whne if they go TOO far the military can arrange to shut it permanently.

            This one isn’t as credible, but, the verbage actually gives me confidence about the source. Someone who dares to speak out.

        • They are real. Govt types have known about this for many years. China has now admitted to weather modification. It is a sad state of affairs when China is more honest than our own govt.

    • It says right on the flu shot paperwork that flu shots may not work. Next time ask your doctor for that list; they will never give it to you unless you ask, because they could not care less about your health. They are selling you a product, to make money off you. Why would you let someone put Mercury in you, which is in the flu shot ? Because doctors are God to you, right ?

  5. If Mike Adams finds himself on the receiving end of federal charges then it will be no less than he deserves. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on GMO but when a person starts listing names and addresses of people who deserve to be killed then they deserve to be arrested and charged with threatening behaviour. And I hope he is.

    Anyway, I expect the mainstream of anti-GMO are thoroughly embarrassed by these loons on the fringes. Any attempt to have a rational and nuanced debate on the subject is scuppered when there are people screeching comparisons to Nazis or making other absurd and evidence-lite accusations.

    • Huh, he is part of the mainstream. yes on the extreme end but, judging from the comments he got on his site and statements like RosAnne’s we can help burn your crops for you, not a full sigma from center.

      • None the less, he does poison the debate, such that anyone raising any reservations whatsoever about GMOs, gets labeled a kook. To my mind it’s legitimate to ask questions about potential ecological impacts, provided one is actually asking honest questions and willing to abide by factual answers.

    • stick to the facts.. the people who represent greed and selfishness usually end up alone anyway. If this article is true I hope that mike adams doesn’t make any death threats because thats not what the anti gmo movement is about.. its about change.. the people who are wrong will trip over there own feet. if this is true its unfortunate that mike adams let his anger get the best of him. I hope he finds truth in the good that he is attempting to point out. We all know there are evil people out there with evil intentions.. we just have to kick them out. Threats aren’t the way to go.. :(

  6. The FBI has investigated people for much, much less. I am surprised it has taken this long for Adams to be investigated since he is the origin of so much aggressive rhetoric against scientists and the government in general.

  7. So many anti-science groups and persons citing and re-posting Natural News as though it’s gospel and that they are so “wise” for supporting Adams’ nonsense.Here’s what you can expect to find on The Natural News:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/022267.html
    Still waiting for the admin to provide pic or vid evidence from courthouse employees or townspeople to corroborate the “armed guards and attack dogs”

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038584_media_blackout_armed_citizens_saving_lives.html
    5 seconds on Google will produce over a dozen outlets, including Forbes, that were part of this *TOTAL* “media blackout”

    And if that wasn’t enough, chemtrails:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/chemtrails.html

    and the coup de grace, HIV denial:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/027922_AIDS_David_Icke.html

    So, anyone who insists on citing The Natural News as a source surrenders their right to be taken seriously.

    Gotta say though, my favorite comment on the NitWitual News was in agreement with a “study” claiming that Vitamin D is “just as effective” as vaccines. One future Nobel Prize candidate responded with, “Yup. All you need is sunshine.”

    Yeah. We have the history of the entire continent of Africa as evidence for that brilliant observation.

  8. FBI investigating Adams: Wonderful news. FBI only brings charges if they are highly confident in getting a conviction; and when they know they’ve got someone, they may also take their time reeling them in. So keep your eyes open, this could get more interesting rather than less, though it may take months or longer. If it’s announced that he’s being charged, invest in popcorn futures (GMO or otherwise;-) and prepare for some seriously entertaining courtroom drama.

    • Many folks who read these articles do think. That’s why we Think mikey is, maybe, perhaps, just a tad shy in the logic and integrity departments. Please try reading the articles these folks produce and not just the comments by troublemakers such as myself. Then you think it through.

  9. I was recently banned at NN after posting a bunch of criticism of their articles. It’s sad that a community that markets itself as ‘skeptics’ and ‘free-thinkers’ seems to have no problem silencing dissenting opinions.

    As I always say, a community that flirts with conspiracy theories is eventually overrun by them. Lunacy has become the mainstay of the anti-GMO movement.

    • So, Tyler, to carry your logic a bit further. If I flirt with beautiful women. I’ll be over run with them? I saw your comments, occasionally hit the like button, and made a few inflammatory remarks myself. I mentioned GLP, biofortified, The Perugia study, and a few other “troll/Shill folks positively. Did this for 2 reasons. I hope that the silent readers will sometimes get curious. And I enjoy insulting folks like mikey. I’m banned as well Seems I may have carried things a bit far when I mentioned that [in]famous libeler, Kevin Folta in a positive manner.

  10. I could read all of the links but why waste the time. You could post a million links and I would not believe the propaganda. Monsanto is the devil. The pharmaceutical industry is full of liars and thieves. They push their garbage on us and protect themselves from liability by paying off politicians to pass laws on their behalf.

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  12. GMOS are supposed to feed the world. Unfortuently, it’s starving the very people it’s trying to feed. When are people going to stop trying to make short term economic gains versus long term payback. You reap what you sew.

  13. Good propaganda piece, this falls under black propaganda which means its full of LIES. Its a diversion article to focus on Mike’s so called actions. He’s a real individual concerned by the greed of big corporations like Monsanto who specialize in weaponized materials such as Agent Orange. GMO crops will destroy and mutate our huhhman race. Look it UP

  14. Mike Adams recently attacked Whole Foods because one of their employees assaulted a military veteran outside a Whole Foods store.

    Sometimes I wonder if Adams is a paid agent provocateur. And now after I read he called for anti-GMO activists to murder scientists, I am convinced that he is indeed an agent provocateur.

  15. Another witch hunt to hide the truth. Mike Adams is not the villain here. Questioning GMO’s is not the problem here, allowing them to take over the natural world is. Apples that don’t brown, that is entirely creepy. Huge amounts of pesticides used to grow them going into our air and bodies. GMO’s are the destruction of everything natural. Monsanto is truly evil and has no care for you or your families, only for profits. Wake up sheep!

          • You understand science? Really? What part of my “screed” goes against science? Tell me what you believe? Are you saying aluminum is not a neurotoxin?

          • What does aluminum have to do with genetic engineering of crop plants?

            You’re anti-Monsanto. Cool whatever that really doesn’t change the fact that genetic engineering isn’t anymore dangerous than other methods of plant breeding.

            Crops derived from genetic engineering are in no way “taking over the natural world”.

          • We were talking about aluminum in vaccines, not GMO’s. Genetic engineering and hybridization are not the same. Do not confuse the two. Genetic engineering is dangerous when you inject chemical and animal DNA into plants. Just because we can do it doesn’t mean we should.

          • Do not confuse the two. Genetic engineering is dangerous when you inject chemical and animal DNA into plants.

            Why is it dangerous to combine DNA from bacteria and plants?

          • Well the proof is in the pudding. Super weeds, super pests, what do you think is happening? Talk about denial. Putting chemical DNA into our bodies is safe? Please.

          • You should take it as me being exasperated by your extreme ignorance. What do you even mean by “chemical DNA”? All DNA is chemical.

          • What do you want me to call it? Molecular structure? Chemical properties? I am exasperated by your indifference to life and your reckless support of the destruction of it.

          • What do you want me to call it? Molecular structure? Chemical properties?

            I’m just blindsided by your knowledge of biology and chemistry. I want you to call it DNA. I have no clue what you are referring to when you say “chemical DNA.” What distinction are you making when you put the word “chemical” in there?

            So when you ask if I think it’s safe for people to eat DNA, yes, yes I do think it’s safe for people to eat DNA.

            I am exasperated by your indifference to life and your reckless support of the destruction of it.

            I go to work everyday and work on alleviating malnutrition, blindness, and infection in poor countries.

          • I work for a non-profit research center that, in part, develops biofortified GMO crops that are given away for free to third world farmers.

          • How does golden rice make one dependent on Monsanto?

            We work with increasing beta carotene content of some crops, but not rice. We work on increasing iron content of some crops. We work on viral resistance for some crops. What does any of that have to do with Monsanto?

          • Really? Why did the Rockefeller Foundation drop its support for it? Patents, patents patents… where does it end? Will the farmers get to keep the seeds? Playing God is what you are doing, He does not need patents, Human arrogance once again.

          • Why don’t you answer the question and tell me what any of this has to do with Monsanto. If you’re not going to provide evidence for anything, at least make your arguments coherent.

            The crops we work with propagate vegetatively, not through seeds, so yes, the farmers can freely propagate from one season to another.

            Playing God is what you are doing, He does not need patents, Human arrogance once again.

            Is this all really just some half-baked religious objection?

          • What does God have to do with religion? God was here long before religion. I am glad you propagate vegetatively, but you are still messing with nature. Monsanto is a major player in the GMO game, even you know that. Why do you defend GMO technology? Do you support nanotechnology also?

          • What does God have to do with religion? God was here long before religion

            Let me rephrase. Is this all some half-baked theistic objection?

            I am glad you propagate vegetatively, but you are still messing with nature. Monsanto is a major player in the GMO game, even you know that.

            It seems like things are all jumbled up in your head. Vegetative propagation is a property of the particular crops we work with. It means that instead of going to seed, cuttings are taken and new whole plants form from those cuttings. Vegetatively propagated crops can still be patented if there is a novel trait added to them by means of hybridization, mutagenesis, or transformation.

            Monsanto does a lot with transgenics, but most of their revenue is from conventional seeds. Lots of other groups, either companies or non-profits or universities work with transgenics.

            Why do you defend GMO technology?

            Because they have the potential to be a part of the solution for a great number of human problems. And because they have undergone extensive testing, and been shown to be completely safe.

          • It is better than your anti-theist objections. Do you really think humans can fix everything. We have screwed up the world so bad already. We are not in control of nature. We owe our lives to nature. Nature does not need us. The sooner the planet rids of us the better it will be for nature.We are the illness, not the cure. Goodnight.

          • That’s not how genetic engineering works bout go on believing that.

            Genetic engineering and hybridization are both forms of genetic modification. One involves the shuffling of entire genomes the other involves the manipulation, insertion or deletion of specific genes. But both are indeed “genetic modifications” in any logical sense.

          • Shuffling, manipulation, insertion, deletion of genes? It all equals the same result, messing with what is perfect and having the arrogance to think you can make it better. You people are destroying the balance of nature with no responsibility for the future. Throwing your big words around do not change the outcome, irresponsible science.

          • Yeah we should never shuffle genes around, therefore we should ban all sexual reproduction of all plants and animals!

          • Bacteria inject plants with DNA all the time. Virusususes inject humans with DNA all the time. Where do you think scientists got the idea from? Where do you think they got the ability do transfer genes from one organism to another? Nature!!

          • We know the results of that. Was that something we should mimic? Do not try to justify what you are doing, it is dangerous and foolish.

          • Have you ever seen a wild carrot or banana? How about wild watermelon or tomato? Even peek at wild taro or teosinte? Most modern crop plants are almost unrecognizable when compared to the wild ancestors. . The progenitors of today’s crops usually contain large numbers of inedible seeds, low quantity and quality of edible biomass or contain naturally occurring poisonous metabolites.
            We as a species have been manipulating the genetics of every food crop you’ve ever eaten for the better part of 30000 years in one way or another. That’s just the way it is

          • Hybridization and cross breeding of plants is not the problem here. The problem is adding chemical or animal DNA to plants. Adding herbicide to plant DNA is not safe. The results are already being seen.

          • Good luck with what? What do you call super weeds and super pests? Now we need stronger chemicals to kill them, where does that end?

          • Resistance in pests is a natural product of any selection mechanism. Its evolution in action. That’s why it’s important for farmers to have control methods that utilize different modes of action. Over reliance. On glyphosate has created sufficient selection pressure that resistance to it has occurred. That’s why the new 2,4-D resistant crops are needed. It will allow farmers to rotate the herbicides they use to slow the inevitable rise of resistance.

          • Really? What next? Atom bombs? We cannot stop resistance, it will continue. But I guess that is just job security for you guys. Who cares at what cost to life.

          • super weeds

            There are weeds that are resistant to every weed control method, there are even weeds that are resistant to hand weeding and fire.

          • Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everything is chemically manufactured, cause everything is a chemical or a reaction of chemicals.

            and only chemically destroyed

            I thought you said that they were resistant to chemicals< hmmm strange logic.

          • Synthetic chemicals. Created by man. Resistant to chemicals manufactured by them, until they are not…more chemicals!

          • Questioning GMO’s is not the problem here, allowing them to take over the natural world is.

            Questioning GMOs isn’t a problem, but asserting counterfactual things like “they are taking over the world” and “Huge amounts of pesticide used to grow them” and “they are the destruction of everything natural,” is a problem.

            Monsanto is truly evil and has no care for you or your families, only for profits. Wake up sheep!

            Monsanto isn’t a person, it’s a corporation, and so can’t feel anything or have care for people. They are a corporation that acts in their own best interest and tries to make money, just like every other corporation on the planet, just like Whole Foods, and just like Natural News.

          • Citizens United says so. But I am glad you see that corporations really should not be people. Question GMO’s, you may learn something.

          • Citizens United says so.

            Well, I’ll just have to disagree with you there. I don’t consider corporations people who can feel things.

            Question GMO’s, you may learn something.

            I do every day as part of my job developing GMOs. Having knowledge of the subject matter automatically disqualifies me as a shill though, right?

          • No but sucking off the GMO tit does. The government feels that corporations are people, sick people with no conscience, but people none the less. GM technology is destroying the planet and creating super weeds and super pests. Now they had to approve super pesticides and herbicides to rid of them. Ya great science. Kill us all.

          • The government feels that corporations are people, sick people with no conscience, but people none the less.

            I don’t really want to get into a big argument about whether corporations are people, lets just leave it at me not thinking they are, and the government and you thinking they are.

            GM technology is destroying the planet and creating super weeds and super pests. Now they had to approve super pesticides and herbicides to rid of them. Ya great science. Kill us all.

            What super pesticides and herbicides that are killing us all are you referring to? Using pesticides and herbicides didn’t originate with GMOs, and it won’t end if GMOs are banned.

            Proper crop rotation and pesticide rotation are good farming practices regardless of whether GMOs or conventional crops are being grown. I think your ire for transgenic technology is misplaced.

          • I do not feel that corporations are people the law does. What do you think Dicamba is?? The 2-4-D component is deadly to humans and toxic to the environment. What is next? Have we learned nothing from “Silent Spring”? My ire is not misplaced.

          • Dicamba does not present unusual handling hazards.[6] It is moderately toxic by ingestion and slightly toxic by inhalation or dermal exposure (oral LD50 in rats: 757 mg/kg body weight, dermal LD50 in rats: >2,000 mg/kg, inhalation LC50 in rats: >200 mg/L).

            In a 3-generation study, dicamba did not affect the reproductive capacity of rats. When rabbits were given doses of 0, 0.5, 1, 3, 10, or 20 (mg/kg)/day of technical dicamba from days 6 through 18 of pregnancy, toxic effects on the mothers, slightly reduced fetal body weights, and increased loss of fetuses occurred at the 10 mg/kg dose. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has set the NOAEL for this study at 3 (mg/kg)/day.

            In dog tests, some enlargement of liver cells has occurred, but a similar effect has not been shown in humans.

            What am I supposed to be seeing?

            According to a FAQ published by the EPA:

            “2,4-D products can be safely used by following label directions.

            The toxicity of 2,4-D depends on its chemical forms, including salts, esters, and an acid form.

            2,4-D generally has low toxicity for humans, except certain acid and salt forms can cause eye irritation.

            Swimming is restricted for 24 hours after application of certain 2,4-D products applied to control aquatic weeds to avoid eye irritation.

            2,4-D generally has moderate toxicity to birds and mammals, is slightly toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates, and is practically nontoxic to honeybees.

            The ester forms of 2,4-D can be highly toxic to fish and other aquatic life.

            Carefully follow label directions to avoid harmful effects.

            Again, where are you getting your information about the toxicity of these chemicals, because it doesn’t seem to match up with reality.

          • Toxic to fish…Do you think it will not end up in the waterways? Are you also going to tell me that 2-4-D is safe?? Agent Orange did no damage to human life? Moderately toxic is not ok. Would you want your child to eat food sprayed with it? Not acceptable.

          • Toxic to fish…Do you think it will not end up in the waterways?

            The ester form is toxic to fish. What percent of the 2,4-D sprayed on crops is the ester form? I don’t know, but seems important before you make any pronouncements on the toxicity of using it as a pesticide.

            Agent Orange did no damage to human life?

            2,4-D is not agent orange. This is like saying sodium chloride is super bad because both sodium and chlorine are both very dangerous and toxic.

          • Ok let’s put some in your water supply. Dicamba is toxic to fish. Dicamba contains a component of Agent Orange. 2-4-D has a dark history, one I do not think we should revisit.

          • Agent Orange has never been used in agriculture. It was developed by the Department of Defense as a weapon of war. We don’t use Howitzers or B-52s on the farm, either.

          • You are right, we cannot agree. You support GM technology, I do not.The future will tell us the truth, as it already is. Maybe if science can do what is needed in a safe manner, not a reckless one, we can some day be helped by it. Until then, I don’t put much trust in it. Goodnight.

          • I wouldn’t mind having a few Claymores to interrupt the deer rutting paths, but the ATF would probably take exception. And I’m too lazy to pick all that shot out of the carcass, so the ol’ .30-30 will have to do.

          • Dicamba has been used since the mid-1960s. It’s basically benzoic acid. 2,4-D has been used since the 1940s. It’s a synthetic version of a natural plant growth hormone.

            Contrary to your claims, 2,4-D is not deadly to humans or toxic to the environment. You should get your information from better sources.

          • Really? The NRDC disagrees with you. Neurological damage, cancer and hormone disruption. Does that sound safe to you? Maybe it is you that need to get your information from better sources.

          • NRDC is an activist organization. They’re not scientists. You need to learn to get your information from better sources.

          • The Union of Concern Trolls? I quit listening to them in the 1970s when they were making up stuff about nuclear power.

          • Yep so true, no one ever hears about the union of “rational” scientists or the union of “Evidence based” scientists…

          • Well most renewables are not energy dense, so either you blanket the planet with panels and pinwheels (not great for nature), or you go for more dense renewables like hydro and wood, all these solutions kill trees and nature.

          • Blanket the planet with panels? How bout we start with every building having panels on the roof, The deserts having solar power stations. The ocean having wind turbines instead of leaking oil rigs. We can live without fossil fuels if we double up on infrastructure for renewables. Oil is not sustainable, if we were smart we would switch over now and begin the inevitable.

          • Blanket the planet with panels? How bout we start with every building having panels on the roof,

            And at night? You know when we need power for heat and lights? What about northern parts of the world when they get very little light in the winter, what then? During the coldest parts of the year it is also free of wind.

            We can live without fossil fuels if we double up on infrastructure for renewables.

            Ummm, no. renewables minus hydro is less than 1% of all power generated.

            Oil is not sustainable, if we were smart we would switch over now and begin the inevitable.

            We have already started, but it will be a very slow process.. It will happen in the future so cheer up…:)

          • At night the power is used from stored power.through the use of salt, the salt when heated turns into a steam that turns the turbines. There are other forms of renewables like algae biofuels, biomass, wave and tidal. These all need to be expanded as soon as possible. We need to kick up the volume. As long as we are sucking on the tit of fossil fuels this will not happen, and more destruction of our environment will continue.

          • Really? The NRDC disagrees with you. Neurological damage, cancer and hormone disruption.

            April, almost all plants contain the same hormone as 2-4-D, if it was harmful eating plants would also be harmful..

          • Yep, it is a plant hormone, scientists use it in smaller amounts to force plants to go to seed early. 2-4-D when used as a herbicide makes plants grow to death, that is all.

          • If we sprayed human growth hormone all over plants, nothing would happen. Humans and plants are not the same.. I suggest getting out of the house more often.

          • Provide a citation(s). Something showing up in PubMed is not a measure of quality. Let’s see stuff published in journals with an impact factor greater than 7. Good luck.

          • Impact factor? PubMed isn’t good enough for you? It is good enough for physicians, but not you? Oh please, you know I am correct.

          • Impact factor? PubMed isn’t good enough for you? It is good enough for physicians, but not you? Oh please, you know I am correct.

            PubMed isn’t a journal, and thus has no impact factor. PubMed is a search engine, like google, but for papers. Some of the journals that PubMed searches are high quality, and some are low quality.

          • PubMed is an indexing service. There is no quality review involved. You should know this.

            You do know what “impact factor” is, right?

          • Indexed from many different sources, but, of course, none good enough for you. So if I gave you a syringe with aluminum, formaldehyde, msg, aborted fetal tissue, and polysorbate-80, you would inject that into your child? Why don’t you tell me why aluminum is safe to inject into a newborn or pregnant woman. i want a source not funded by the industry.

          • FDA? don’t make me laugh. Half the people that work at the FDA are in the revolving door from the corporations. Let’s not be naive here, do you also believe there is no corruption in politics?

          • Let’s not be naive here, do you also believe there is no corruption in politics?

            I believe that any evidence presented against your position will only make you more convinced in the conspiracy. The better the evidence against your position, the more strongly you will cling to it. You’re like a Chinese finger trap.

          • I bet you can’t name ONE person who was in a “revolving door” with Monsanto.

            Definition of “revolving door” would be someone who worked for Monsanto, left to go work for the Govt, and while in the Govt, did something that helped Monsanto, then quit and went back to work for Monsanto, being rewarded for his govt efforts with a better job/more pay

            JUST ONE

          • Toby Moffett, Dennis DeConcini, Marcia Hale, Margaret Miller, Mickey Kantor, Virginia Weldon, Josh King, David Beler,Carol Tucker-Forman, Linda Fisher, Lidia Walrud, Michael Taylor, Hillary Clinton, Roger Beechy, and Islam Siddiqui. I that enough?

          • Heck, some of them, like Hillary Clinton, never even worked for Monsanto and not ONE of them ever worked for Monsanto, then the Govt, then back at Monsanto.

            Try again.

          • Except he has only worked ONCE for Monsanto, so no, he does not fit the definition.

            He has had two roles in the US govt, once in the USDA and now in the FDA.

            At the USDA he implemented a science-based approach called Hazard analysis and critical control points (HACCP)) to raising safety standards for meat and poultry production over the protests from meat packing industry, which has been called by food safety advocates “a truly heroic accomplishment”.

            15 years ago he worked for several years for Monsanto, but left because he disagreed with them about labeling (he was for it).

            He is in now at the FDA and in charge of implementing the Food Safety and Modernization Act, which has nothing to do with Monsanto or its products.

          • Taylor is a classic example of the revolving door. He was Monsanto’s attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA, soon after he became Monsanto’s Vice President and chief lobbyist. He has moved between the USDA, the FDA and Monsanto as an attorney for the last few decades.The FSMA totally ignores the threat of GMO’s,how convenient.

          • Nope.

            He worked as a lawyer right after graduating from law school, at King & Spalding. But just because one client of the firm was Monsanto, does not make him their attorney, so claiming he was Monsanto’s attorney is false.

            Between 1994 and 1996 he worked at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), where he was Administrator of the Food Safety & Inspection Service. During that term he implemented a science-based approach ( called Hazard analysis and critical control points (HACCP)) to raising safety standards for meat and poultry production.

            The ONLY time he worked for Monsanto was for 3 years ending 15 years ago, as a Vice President for Public Policy. He publicly has said he left because he disagreed with them on labeling of GMOs. He was for it.

            So for the next 9 years, after leaving Monsanto, he had nothing to do with either them or the Govt, working for the Rockefeller Center for Risk Management and then teaching as a professor at the University of Maryland’s School of Medicine and in 2007 he became a Research Professor of Health Policy at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services.

            Finally in 2009 he joined the FDA and has been working on implementing the FMSA.

            He did not write the FMSA, Congress did, and the fact that it is about food borne pathogens and doesn’t deal with GMOs has to do with Congress, not Taylor.

            Again, another EPIC FAIL.

          • News flash, if Monsanto is your client then sadly you are an attorney for Monsanto. He led the firm’s food and drug law practice

          • Nope.

            He was a recently graduating law student in a BIG firm. http://www.kslaw.com/About-Us

            The FIRM had Monsanto as a client.
            Nothing indicates that this new lawyer was their lawyer.

            More importantly, his employer is the Law Firm, he owes no allegiance to the clients besides providing good legal advice. To think that after he left the law firm that he was somehow “beholden” to Monsanto is just a figment of your imagination.

          • If a firm takes on a client they agree to defend them. Therefore they are aiding and abetting in their practices. Whether the law states this or not, it is true. If a lawyer defends a guilty man by twisting the truth, then they are aiding and abetting. If he led the food and drug law practice I guarantee you he helped Monsanto. Be careful who you sleep with…

          • April, Lawyers do much more then DEFEND people.

            If indeed he did defend Monsanto in any court there would be a PUBLIC case.

            There is none.

            Why do we know that?

            Because not one of the many Anti-GMO/Monstanto sites has ever found one.

            At the Software company that I worked at, we also had representation by a law firm. Indeed I worked with them a number of times. Why? Because I was considering applying for patents on some of my ideas.

            In other cases it was working on the legalese needed for our contracts.

            In another case it had to do with problems with a person who were doing things that required their immediate termination, but one doesn’t do that without consulting your law firm. They also defend innocent people against untrue allegations.

            See, Lawyers don’t just defend people who are guilty, they defend innocent people and they give legal advice to help you understand the laws, and particularly new/changed laws, so you can avoid doing something that might be illegal or risk a civil suit.

            As to Taylor, again nothing indicates he led that division, from the Organic Consumers Association web site: In 1981, he left the FDA to work as an attorney in the food and drug practice of King & Spalding, a private law firm

            Work in.

            Not run.

            Makes sense, he was a fairly junior lawyer at the time.

          • Funny how there are so many Monsanto cases that are not on the record, they either get settled out of court or somehow do not reach trial. Even if he “consulted” Monsanto, that is right up there with defending them. he really needs to stick with one side, instead of playing both sides, then he will be better respected.

          • Not uncommon at all. Indeed its likely that that means the amounts are small, which Monsanto wouldn’t want other farmers to know.

            As to Taylor, he isn’t playing both sides.
            The firm he worked for had Monsanto as a client a quarter of a century ago.
            He last worked for Monstanto a decade ago, and there was 9 years working mainly as a professor before he went to work for the govt, and the job he has, implementing the Food Safety Modernization Act is all about reducing the pathogens in our food supply and has nothing to do with Monsanto or what it sells.

          • Oh yeah thats it, I’m sure…huh huh. When he goes head to head against Monsanto I will believe it. A leopard doesn’t change his spots, it doesn’t matter how long it has been.By the way, is he paying you to say these things? I sure hope so.

          • His job of implementing the FSMA has to do with reducing pathogens (from animal sources) in our food supply.
            Since that is associated with vegetables and fruits and imports, it has nothing to do with the big GMO field crops, like corn, soy or cotton, which do not use manure for fertilizer.

            So all this on and on from you suggests you really are also AGAINST the Food Modernization and Safety Act even though it has nothing to do with Monsanto.

            Are you?

          • Your epic fail Arthur, He is going to reduce pathogens from animal sources, as in traditional farming? As in our good old fruits and vegetable farmers? As in the non- gmo farmers? You are right it has nothing to do with GMO field crops, so he is leaving them alone? Sounds like he is protecting the gmo industry and putting regulations on traditional farming. Maybe the chemical sources are ok? hmmm.

          • But, of course, glyphosate and Dicamba not on the list. In fact, having them in the air, water and on the food is safe right????

          • That’s an issue for the EPA and the USDA, not the FDA and also not part of the FSMA.

            Which is why Taylor, as part of the FDA, has nothing to do with Monsanto in his current job.

          • How convenient. Do you really believe what comes out of your mouth? Or is someone paying you to say it?

          • The truth is out.
            GMOs are safe.
            If you were many you would have passed an initiative in California, Washington, Oregon or Arizona.
            But you failed in each one.
            You won’t do better moving East into Farm Country.

          • Excuse me, I live in the Central Valley, we are farm country. The people, unfortunately listen to fear and propaganda paid for by Big Ag who had to pour millions into the anti-labeling campaigns. The GMA also is terrified of the truth so they help them. People are sheep, they vote by the commercials they watch. The truth will come out, and you will be on the wrong side.

          • California voted on it and said NO to labeling.

            The main crops of the central valley are vegetables, nuts and fruits. Not the GMO crops you will find as you go East.

            As you go through the states that grow Corn, Soy and Cotton you are not likely to find much support.

            More importantly, we will pass labeling legislation at the Federal Level, which will preempt state legislation, and it won’t require labeling by SOURCE, only CONTENT and then only when the content is materially different, resulting in labels on maybe a dozen products.

            Your attempts to stop GMO will fail.
            Main reason, is that Soy went off patent this year, and corn will be off patent next year, and the farmers aren’t going back to using more and more toxic pesticides.

          • We grow GMO in California also. In fact, my friend’s husband grew GMO corn. Of course I will not find support in your state, you get that from the government subsidies. You will also continue to use stronger and stronger pesticides to combat super weeds. The future will tell the failed GMO story. I am not worried your Monsanto and friends will self implode. You are not sustainable. You will go the way of the T-Rex.

          • So if you lead the food and drug law section of the firm, you don’t think he represented Monsanto. Wikipedia states that he is the classic example of the revolving door. So now you know more than the researchers of the world that form a consensus at wikipedia?

          • He was right out of law school and King and Spaulding is a LARGE law firm, so your claim is without basis.

            http://www.kslaw.com/About-Us

            Wikipedia is a poor source for information on contentious issues like this, as I could go edit it right now and make it say the opposite. It is NOT, as you claim, maintained by “researchers of the world”, but by people just like you.

            And of course he is NOT the classic case of a revolving door, having only worked for Monsanto once, nearly a decade ago, and he didn’t leave Monsanto to go work for the govt.

            Indeed, for 9 years, after leaving Monsanto, he had nothing to do with either them or the Govt, working for the Rockefeller Center for Risk Management and then teaching as a professor at the University of Maryland’s School of Medicine and in 2007 he became a Research Professor of Health Policy at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services.

          • Did he serve as vice president for public policy at Monsanto??? This is what the FDA site states. Sounds like a revolving door to me.

          • Why yes he did.

            But for it to be a “Revolving Door” position he would have had to leave Monsanto, work for the Govt (and do something that helped Monsanto) and then gone BACK to work for Monsanto.

            See that’s the key. Work for a company, go to work for the govt to get some favorable regulation/law passed, then go BACK to the company and get a good bonus for doing so.

            Just going from working at Monsanto and then leaving to work for the Govt is NOT a “revolving door”.

          • Aren’t you micro managing just a bit here Arthur? And remember, there is still time. He has a big conflict of interest here no matter what you want to call it.

          • Not at all.
            You made the false claim now you are just being petulant because you have been called on it.
            And no, he has no conflict of interest because he is implementing the Food Safety Modernization Act, which has to do with reducing pathogens in our food supply. Which has nothing specifically to do with GMOs or anything that Monsanto sells.

          • Not at all. The FSMA was written by Congress and passed and signed by Obama. Taylor had nothing to do with what it was about, he is only there to get it implemented. The fact that it has nothing to do with Monsanto is hardly surprising as they really only have much impact on TWO of our major Ag crops, and this has to do mainly with VEGETABLE crops.

            “The gods of Monsanto”????

            You REALLY are DELUSIONAL.

            Seek help.

          • A typo does not signify delusion.
            Your reams of BS in the face of MOUNDS and MOUNDS of evidence to the contrary do.

            There is nothing that will convince you because you don’t care about evidence.

          • When the mounds appear let me know. Michael Taylor is a classic revolving door example. 1976 Staff attorney FDA, 1981 King and Spalding giving legal advice to Monsanto. 1991 back to FDA, where he stated that rbST safe.1994 to 1996 went to USDA to help GMO’s enter food supply unlabeled., then briefly returned to King and Spalding. 1998-2001 he became VP of Public Policy for Monsanto.2009 returned as senior advisor to the FDA and in 2010 he became the second highest ranking official at the FDA. The rest is history. Don’t let the revolving door hit you on your way out.

          • So lets see.

            You have him working for the FDA 3 times.

            For the USDA 1 time and yet for Monsanto but 1 time.

            Also note the LONG times between some of those jobs.

            He left Monsanto and worked in the public sector and then as a teacher for 8 years, before he rejoined the FDA, and he rejoined it in a position that had NOTHING to do with Monsanto.

            Clearly NOT a revolving door.

            As to the issue with BGH, iIn 1999, a lawsuit (Alliance For Bio-Integrity v. Shalala) and GAO report revealed considerable disagreement within the FDA concerning decisions about biotechnology products made during Taylor’s tenure there. The lawsuit and report also revealed that Mr. Taylor had recused himself from matters related to Monsanto’s BGH and had “never sought to influence the thrust or content” of the agency’s policies on Monsanto’s products.

            More failure April

          • He worked with Monsanto twice. As a lawyer and as VP. Before and after the federal jobs. It does not matter how long in between, he probably did that as interference. Recuse himself? Well now that’s something. You probably believe that BGH is safe also. Give it up you are on a losing side. Your precious GM crops are unsustainable, unsafe, and bad for the planet. Three strikes your out.

          • WITH is not the same as FOR, and as a lawyer you can’t point to a single case where he even represented Monsanto.

            Yes it does matter how long in between.

            The whole idea about a “Revolving Door”, is to leave Private, go do something in the govt to help, then return to private with big bonus/promotion.

            But when he left Monsanto he didn’t go into govt for 8 years, and then when he went to the Govt working for the FDA implementing the FSMA, he is in a job that has no impact on Monsanto.

            EPIC FAIL

            No I’m not on the “losing side”.

            http://www.ers.usda.gov/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/1141089/biotechcrops.png

            http://www.designntrend.com/articles/24490/20141108/u-s-government-approves-genetically-modified-potato-reduces-cancer-risk.htm

            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0

          • HACCP is fantastic, and Taylor is to be congratulated on a major shift toward rigourous food safety.

          • Does this mean that you’re not able to find any legitimate science that supports your woo?

            I only asked for research published in journals with an impact factor greater than 7. New England Journal of Medicine’s impact factor is 54, so I wasn’t asking for anything unreasonable.

          • How bout the Mayo clinic? In fact, any medical journal will tell you that too much aluminum in the body is toxic. You tell me where is says it is safe.

          • No, the father of the science of toxicology. The dose makes the poison.

            You’ve never heard of this? And you say you work in a pharmacy? That’s a little troubling.

          • Pharmacology not toxicology, although they are becoming one in the same. The dose makes the poison? So spraying this all over our GM crops and it traveling to other areas and into our water is not making a toxic dose?

          • Really? So you can ingest them and it will be fine. What do you think people do with their food? The government is not your friend, the farmers are getting screwed in this country. If the TPP passes you will be screwed double. The GMO experiment will fail, at our own expense. The signs are all there.

          • Try reading the USDA’s Pesticide Data Program reports.

            You post a lot of woo and very little fact. You should try to improve.

          • The USDA, hmm another government operation. Maybe you have been putting too many chemicals on your crops. The government is out funded and out manned by these chemical companies. They are staffed by ex-chemical employees. I do not put much into what they say, sorry. Are you always this gullible? Try reading ‘Foodopoly” you might learn something from a farmer.

          • I heard that DNA is in some food products, mothers breast milk and fecal cord blood,,,, The HORROR! Ban DNA before it is to late….

          • How would you know? Have you ever tried them? Or are you too busy eating GMO’s and getting vaccines? He needs to support his work, just like you do. Only he chooses to do it the old fashioned way.

          • Number one, you can’t use, “ya” colloquially unless you live in Minnesota or have relatives that did at some point.

            Number two, that line isn’t from the Simpson’s, it’s from Dodgeball.

            Not that I have much hope for you, but if you can list the 5 “D’s” of Dodgeball, I might start taking you seriously. But probably not.

          • My maiden name is Gregerson and I do have relatives in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Dodge, duck,dip, dive, dodge. I am serious.

          • You might be all right after all, even though you’re Norwegian.

            Where in MN, if you don’t mind me asking. Nevermind, do you know any Bryntesons from around St. Cloud or Fergus Falls?

          • My grandmother hailed from Stillwater. The rest of the fam is in Somerset Wis., I am sorry, I do not know any Bryntesons. Lively debate is what this country was founded on. The GMO debate is just one thing, maybe if we met, we could agree on many other things.

          • Yes, if you can say “Duck

            Dodge

            Dip

            Dive

            Dodge
            Then he will take you seriously, or maybe not. Maybe he will only take you seriously if start glorifying GMOs like the rest of his ilk.

          • Regarding your use of the words “conscience and morals”, it reminds me of the line from “The Princess Bride”: “I do not think it means what you think it means.”

          • Monsanto is the size of Starbucks.
            They don’t control the USDA, the FDA and the EPA, that’s just nonsense.

          • I know what it means, someone who works for a company, then leaves for a govt job where they do something to help the company, then goes back to work for the company, usually at a better job or for more pay.

            Name ONE person from Monsanto who has done that.

          • Just ONE will do.
            Your last list didn’t have anybody who had worked for Monsanto, then the Govt, and then back at Monsanto.

          • So you can ingest them and it will be fine.

            Are you a plant? If not you will be fine.And even if you were a plant, the amounts that consumers are exposed to wouldn’t even harm Human/plant hybrid.

            The GMO experiment will fail, at our own expense. The signs are all there.

            Wow, couldnt be more wrong with that statement.
            You sound like the olden day folks, “Electricity will never catch on” , “cars are impractical and not needed”, “the internet is just a fad” …

          • So you do not ingest your food? This is way more than inventing a car, this is changing the make up of the planet and putting a patent on it. Not the same.

          • This is way more than inventing a car, this is changing the make up of the planet and putting a patent on it.

            Nope, there is no difference. Inventing the car or new plant breeding techniques are just the same, technology. It allows humans to make more food or travel longer distances, nothing evil about it.
            Patents expire, the first GMOs are now off patent.

          • Not even close, we need food to survive. Monopolizing the food supply is morally wrong. More patents, more suing of farmers. More suicides in India.

          • Monopolizing the food supply is morally wrong.

            Well in the seed and plant breeding industry, monopolization can’t be done. Farmers can always just switch back to conventional seed if patented seed gets too expensive. No biggie.

            Well as a farmer I want more patented seed, with even more useful traits, and I am willing to pay extra for it.

            more suing of farmers.

            They don’t sue farmers unless they are STEALING the traits from them.

            More suicides in India.

            More than 7 million farmers in India VOLUNTARILY buy GMO seed every year, even though it is totally legal to save seed in that country.

          • Monopolization can and has been done.Contracts are made and if the farmer cannot keep his end of the deal he gets sued. If the seeds do not perform as promised, the farmer is up short. Useful traits? Using more and more chemicals that you have to purchase is not useful or safe. Water is also under attack by companies that want to privatize it, is that ok with you also? All a part of our morally bankrupt society.

          • Do you just make this up?

            No farmer has been sued unless they are stealing.

            Farmers pay more for GMO seed, they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t save them money on expensive pesticides.

          • BS, farmers have gotten sued for GM seeds blowing onto their land from travel. Oh please, you make more on your product because you make more of one crop. Monoculture is what you create, no diversity.

          • And your claim is total BS.
            Why do I know it is BS?
            Because you won’t post the Case Title.

            You know Monsanto Vs FARMER X, Court, Date.

            See ALL trials are public.
            If this had occurred, then that information would be available for you to post, and you would do so to support your case.

            But you didn’t.
            Because you can’t.
            Because such a case doesn’t exist.

            And you know that.

          • The farmers that sued Monsanto had to settle out of court most of the time. How can a farmer afford to sue them with their belligerent, well financed and litigious actions. Why would they settle for the 2.4 million dollar settlement in the Northwest wheat contamination case if they were not guilty? Thanks to Citizens United they have bought and paid for court protections many times. You are a traitor to the farmers of America that have not sold out to Monsanto. Shame on you.

          • Hilarious.

            Now you have Farmers suing Monsanto.

            If they sued, even if they settled out of court, the case is STILL public

            So post some of these cases.

            As to the Wheat case.

            There was no question that it was Monsanto’s wheat that caused the problem.

            How it got there is still unresolved.

            From the Settlement site:

            Monsanto maintains that it has consistently acted in accordance with all governing laws at all times and denies wrongdoing, fault, and liability of any and all kinds whatsoever. However, both sides have agreed to this Settlement to avoid further expense, inconvenience, and distraction of burdensome and protracted litigation, and to be free of any further controversy with respect to the claims that were asserted.

            Monsanto has agreed to pay up to $2,125,000 in full and final satisfaction of any and all valid and timely submitted Claim Forms to persons who sold or priced for sale soft white wheat between May 30th, 2013 and November 30th, 2013 from any farm in Idaho, Oregon, or Washington.

            None of this has anything to do with Citizens United.

            The Farmers of America buy their seed year after year after year, clearly they don’t agree with you.

            Indeed, even in the Wheat case, Monsanto comes out looking good, because though not likely to blame, they are footing the bill to cover losses sustained by those farmers.

            EPIC FAIL

          • Farmers have tried to sue Monsanto but there is no way to win when Monsanto has more money to buy courts and politicians. Monsanto is suing farmers also. Nelson vs. Monsanto is another case of a poor farmer trying to fight Monsanto. They have been farming for 75 years! There name was good, now Monsanto is trying to destroy them. What a bully of a company. There is a reason they have been voted most evil, least ethical, and worst by many different groups. Yeah, you are right Monsanto is a saint in the Northwest case What they paid those farmers is probably the tip of the iceberg in lost costs. Farmers keep buying their seeds because they are dumb enough to believe the bs that Monsanto sells. The epic fail will be when you see someday the collapse of your beloved Monsanto.

          • Just conspiracy nonsense.

            Monsanto is the same size as Starbucks.

            They can’t buy courts and politicians.

            Nelson settled with Monsanto. They both agreed to keep the settlement details private, so he is not a good example.

            As to being a bully, hardly.

            Since 1997, Monsanto has gone to trial over seed patents only nine times and only 147 lawsuits have been filed in the last 18 years”

            No farmers don’t keep buying the seed because they are DUMB.

            You can’t be a successful farmer in the US and be dumb. That’s mutually exclusive.
            Its a complicated business, but clearly you aren’t smart enough to know how difficult modern farming is.

          • Are you kidding,Monsanto has plenty of money to buy courts and politicians. Funny how all the cases get “settled” which avoids the record books. Gag orders are given and they move on to the next case. 8 cases a year is nothing to brag about, if you or I got sued 8 times a year we would not be in business for long.I do not think of GMO farmers as successful. Like parenting, farming is a job that many do but few are good at. To be a good farmer you must respect the land and the environment. You must grow with diversity, not monocrops. You must keep the soil healthy and protect the water supplies. None of these are done by GM crop farmers. This goes the same for livestock farmers.

          • Except settling is only when both sides agree, but 8 times a year that’s not the case and the court goes to trial, and EVERY TIME Monsanto has won. And they are winning in the courts in farm country with a jury of the farmer’s peers. Clearly they aren’t a bully or farmers wouldn’t find for them, nor would they buy their seeds year after year after year.

            But they do.

            As to GMO farmers being successful, again that is patently false. Farmers have been increasing their use of GMO seed since it came out, with last year the highest ever.

            http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/1284571/march14_feature_fernandez_fig01.png

            The two biggest GMO crops in the US are Corn and Soybeans and the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s final tally of the 2014 crop year is showing farmers brought in record corn and soybean crops. The agency says that farmers harvested a record 14.2 billion bushels of corn. That is 3 percent more than the 2013 crop, which had set the previous record. The average bushel-per-acre yield is 171, significantly better than the 158 bushels per acre in 2013. The record crop came even though farmers harvested about 5 percent fewer acres than in 2013.

            Soybean production also is a record at 3.97 billion bushels, up 18 percent from 2013.

            You don’t produce record crops, after 18 years of growing GMO crops, if it harmed the soil. Clearly it doesn’t.

            As to protecting the water supply, the use of RR crops has allowed many of these farmers to switch to “No Till” approaches, because they don’t need to kill weeds that way anymore before planting. This has significantly reduced run off, and improves the soil.

            http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/1284541/march14_feature_fernandez_fig05.png

            As does use of fewer insecticides

            http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/1284474/march14_feature_fernandez_fig03.png

          • Funny how they always “win” all the cases. Of course when you are growing monocrops you will make money, how else would Monsanto succeed without supportive farmers, they make sure of that. You have sold your soul to the devil. Actually non-GMO is on the rise. No-till was used before GM crops came around. You have had to adopt this practice because of the super weeds. This practice is not environmentally friendly either. No till fields do not sequester more carbon than ploughed fields when soil depths of more than 30 cm are taken into account. Why don’t you show the graph that gives the increase in glyphosate in our bodies and the environment since the inception of Roundup Ready crops? The USDA graphs are also bought and paid for by GM industry.

          • They have won all the cases because a jury of the FARMER’S PEERS agrees that the farmer got the value of the GMO seed, but didn’t pay for it. Pretty simple actually.

            No, Non-GMO is not on the rise, as the chart above shows, the percent of acres of GMO for Corn, Soy and Cotton is up. But that chart doesn’t show all the GMO Canola (mainly a Canadian crop), GMO Sugar Beets or GMO Alfalfa. Not sure how much of the newly released Arctic Apple or Innate Potato will be grown this year, but it won’t be zero.

            Why don’t you show the graphs about glyphosate?

            Oh, because there are no reputable ones.

          • It would not matter what graph I showed, you would say it is not reputable. Like the ones that show an increase in autism in direct line with the increase in glyphosate use. The winds of change are beginning to blow. Arctic apple, disgusting. Mother nature lets us know if an apple is not fresh by changing color. These apples do not. Talk about frankenfood. Salmon that will destroy the natural salmon, destruction of God, that is what GMO’s are.

          • Oh please, you just proved what I said. You will negate any graph I choose. If you had common sense you would realize that putting more chemicals into our bodies and our environment is not healthy. If you refute that, then you are a total moron.

          • No I disproved what you claimed.

            You implied that CAUSATION is implied because of a statistical correlation. I showed a graph of another correlation which proves that correlation alone does not mean a thing.

            I totally agree that we need to reduce the amount of TOXIC chemicals we put in our bodies, and that’s what the adoption of GMO is doing.

            http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111629

            A Meta-Analysis of the Impacts of Genetically Modified Crops

            Results

            On average, GM technology adoption has reduced chemical pesticide use by 37%, increased crop yields by 22%, and increased farmer profits by 68%. Yield gains and pesticide reductions are larger for insect-resistant crops than for herbicide-tolerant crops. Yield and profit gains are higher in developing countries than in developed countries.

            http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/1284474/march14_feature_fernandez_fig03.png

          • The article referenced: This research was financially supported by the German Federal Ministry of Economic Cooperation and Development (BMZ) and the European Union’s Seventh Framework Programme

            The Economic Research Service, a branch of the USDA has been tracking this data for a long time. Nobody but you disputes it.

          • Nope. I’m not the one making conspiracy claims against the Economic Research Service branch of the USDA. You are.
            With nothing to support your position.

          • They aren’t.

            The Commission today adopted 10 new authorisations for Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) for food/feed use, 7 renewals of existing authorisations…

            All the GMOs approved today have been proved to be safe before their placing on the EU market. The risk assessment has been done by EFSA in collaboration with Member States for each individual GMO to be put on the market. The GM food and feed authorisations will be added to the existing list of 58 GMOs authorised in the EU for food and feed uses

            http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-4843_en.htm

          • I’m friends with a local dairy farmer who grows corn and soy to feed his cows and he would prefer conventional seeds but he told me they’ve become almost impossible to find because GMO seeds producers have cornered the market.

          • Sorry, simply not true.

            We grow ~90 million acres of corn in the US, and only 90% is GMO, meaning that 9 million acres are planted with conventional seed.

            We grow nearly 80 million acres of Soy, and again ~90% is GMO, but that means 8 million acres are planted with conventional seed.

            That’s seed for 17 million acres.

            Not hard to find.

          • Wrong those millions of non GMO crops are not grown for seed production they are grown to be sold to manufacturers who produce products for people who want non GMO products.

          • Not wrong.
            I didn’t claim that 17 million acres were grown for seed, that’s moronic.

            I’m saying farmers had no problem finding conventional seed to PLANT 17 million acres, making your friends assertion, patently false.

          • Link is dead, but face it, if there were 17 million acres planted in non-GMO crops, most farmers who wanted to grow non-GMO obviously had no problem finding the seed.

          • Link is not dead I just tried it. Why would a friend lie to me concerning the availability of non GMO seeds. The reason non GMO seeds are hard to get is many farmers are going back to conventional seed because GMO seeds didn’t produce the yields that they were promised.

          • Our company has non-GMO seed left over every year. That’s not to say we don’t sell out of some hybrids or varieties, but never all of them.

          • If you have what my farmer friend calls cow corn let me know, He needs enough to plant 200 acres.

          • Well, is he in northwest Indiana? And I dunno what he calls cow corn. Corn to feed dairy cows? That’d be about all he’d be able to plant at this late stage of the spring…at least in my area.

          • Monopolization can and has been done

            nope not even close.

            Contracts are made and if the farmer cannot keep his end of the deal he gets sued.

            Keep his end???

            The deal with seed is simple, Buy seed, grow crops, don’t sell as or use as seed stock. hardly complicated.

            If the seeds do not perform as promised, the farmer is up short.

            Certified seed is guaranteed, that is why we pay extra for it.

            Using more and more chemicals that you have to purchase is not useful or safe.

            Hmmm, totally wrong. GMOs enable farmers to use LESS harmful chemicals, that are far safer and more effective, or why else buy them?

            Water is also under attack by companies that want to privatize it

            I dont know anything about this issue, we actually have too much water here most years.

          • Monopolization is, of course, a wet dream of the industry. It is not possible for a farmer to buy soybean seeds that are not contaminated by GMO’s. Roundup Ready soybeans use 2-5 times more herbicides than no-GMO. Monsanto’s contamination of the wheat is destroying the market for farmers growing non-GMO wheat. Just because you are a bitch for the corporations does not make it ok to grow this frankenfood. There is a reason other countries do not want GMO’s. They are harmful to us, our livestock and the environment.

          • It is not possible for a farmer to buy soybean seeds that are not contaminated by GMO’s.

            It is very easy to buy non GMO soy and corn, you get it at the same place as the GMO seed. Or you can buy it from others. No big problem there.

            Roundup Ready soybeans use 2-5 times more herbicides than no-GMO.

            Totally false, GMO soy uses slightly less herbicide, and the herbicide is way less toxic as well.

            Monsanto’s contamination of the wheat is destroying the market for farmers growing non-GMO wheat.

            there is no GMO wheat commercially available.

            Just because you are a bitch for the corporations does not make it ok to grow this frankenfood.

            LOL, funny. If you knew anything about farming you would also laugh at how preposterous this is.

            There is a reason other countries do not want GMO’s.

            Yes, it is called politics

          • She should be extradited to Canada.

            You owe us for Alan Thicke and Captain and Tenille. It’s the least you can do. Show some good faith, will ‘ya?

          • Do you get these facts off of the Monsanto and Dow websites? You sound like a puppet for the industry.Other farmers say otherwise, who is right? The commercial wheat is not what is contaminating, it is the experimental wheat that they are growing. The rogue varieties are contaminating non-GMO wheat. It is not politics, it is pride in their food diversity and quality. People do not want your monocrops that lack diversity.

          • The New England Journal of Medicine and the Journal of the American Medical Association are both supported by the pharmaceutical industry and you expect the truth from these journals? Get a life.

  16. I trust Mike Adams a ZILLION times more than I do anyone taking money from monsanto to hawk/defend their killer/toxic GMO crap…
    If GMOs are so safe WHY are you so INSANELY against stating/labeling that a “PRODUCT CONTAINS GMOS” on the packaging????

    • Because “GMOs” aren’t a “thing.” It’s a process for altering genes. Like mutagenesis. Look it up.
      And besides, we now have a labeling law. Give it up.

      • If YOU want to eat that toxic, round -up soaked GMO crap….More KUDOS to you….
        There IS NO GMO poison labeling law IN EFFECT…

        Are you one of those shills paid by monsatano to defend their toxic crap on the internet?

        • Naaaah, not paid by Monsanto. (And there are other GE seed companies that I’m also not paid by.). Why, you think my posts are so brilliant and insightful that I should be paid by them? Why thank you, DDDDDD!
          Actually, DDDD, I should also get paid by the $60 billion organic industry, because I am constantly telling people who are fearful of GE foods that they should definitely and positively stick to foods labeled organic and nonGMO certified. Should I get paid by both sides, ya think?
          So glad there are probably 40-50,000 foods labeled organic and non-GMO certified for you! Aen’t you happy? You don’t sound happy.

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            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

        • There are currently no laws on the books about banning the labeling food GMO-free. If you are selling GMO-free food, put a label on the package and add a 5% premium. You don’t need anyones permission, and you don’t need the government to mandate it. Just put the label on!

          Also, the rats fed non-GMO food in that study also got tumors, so should we ban both GMO and non-GMO food?

          • I don’t know the difference between an OBJECTIVE link and just a regular link. I think you should have linked the the paper, which is published in a no-impact, pay-for-play journal, instead of a cbs news article.

            That breed of rat is used in short term cancer studies because they develop those tumors naturally. The study was designed with too small a population size so appropriate statistics can’t be done to show anything of interest one way or the other. There is a reason the journal retracted it, and a reason it is considered among scientists to be junk science. (That reason doesn’t involve a worldwide conspiracy involving Monsanto, all the worlds scientists, and a shadow government run by lizard people.)

  17. ANYONE WHO THINKS MONSANTO IS OTHER THAN PURE EVIL SHOULD READ UP ON ALL THE FARMERS THEY UNETHICALLY PROSECUTED AFTER MONSANTO SET THEM UP. PLEASE BOYCOTT MONSANTO AND ROUNDUP PRODUCTS…

  18. This article is one of the most important to read by the CDC. This
    article is very important which proves they have given us horrible
    diseases through vaccinations The article reads, “In the past, biologic
    products have served as vectors for viral diseases. Examples include
    the contamination of yellow fever vaccine with hepatitis B virus in the
    1940s (because a human-derived excipient contained hepatitis B virus),
    contamination of early polio and adenovirus vaccines with simian
    virus 40 (called SV40 cancer virus) in the late 1950s and early 1960s,
    contamination of blood products with hepatitis viruses and HIV, and
    contamination of dura mater grafts with the Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
    agent. In these examples, either human or animal materials used in
    production usually caused the contamination.” http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/7/7/01-7735_article

    • Your post is not revelational. First of all, the CDC article that you linked is an abstract of a presentation made at a meeting. To get the full benefit of the presentation, you would have had to attend the meeting. Second, the abstract states the importance of preventing those early types of situations from occurring again. Some people with limited understanding of science and technology impugn the utility of vaccines, even those used early in the history of vaccination programs vs. poliomyelitis and other diseases caused by debilitating and deadly viruses, on the basis that they were not perfect. They weren’t, but they saved millions of lives. You should keep in mind that medical science has improved markedly since the 1950s. That’s the whole point of the article that you linked. You should go back and read it again, this time with greater understanding of what was meaning to be conveyed.

      • I have been researching all pharmaceutical industries since 2005, after my Mother died. I have worked with pharmacists, doctors, and many in the medical and health industries to get a good understanding of what is going on. I have learned a lot from them, and they have given me guidance on researching all pharmaceuticals, especially a couple of pharmacy friends. I have much more information regarding vaccinations than this. Ask yourself something. Why are people so sick? It is by design. The pharmaceutical industries make a fortune off of cancer, autoimmune, and neurological diseases that we see today, which vaccines are causing many of these diseases. The truth is coming out. Scientists, Medical Professionals, Whistleblowers, and families whose lives have been destroyed by the pharmaceutical and chemical industries are coming out. People no longer trust our bought off politicians, the FDA, CDC, and the World Health Organization, EPA, Dept of Agriculture, etc. That is a fact. You can only damage and kill so many people before the people start waking up. With the vaccines schedule the way it is today, and the way they make these vaccines, it is predicted that half of the children are going to have some type of chronic or neurological disease.

  19. Now I know why you refuse to read learn and see anything that will prove you wrong I looked at your profile: I sit in the dimly lit pub with a pint of ale, puffing on my dragonweed,You look and act like one of the Blues brothers. No hope there. Don’t bother to respond case closed like your mind. Take another drink.

  20. A little overboard, but Mike is right on. What isn’t right on is some of the bizarre accusations and statements this website says the Health Ranger makes. I read his information all the time and I have never read in any of his statements for “anit-GMOers to kill scientists.” Wow, that is quite an Anti Health Ranger accusation to put out there if you ask me. It’s obvious to see what this website is trying to do. Hope others are able to see what is going here…

      • Monsanto cultivates Academic Scientists with monetary bribes of several thousand dollars. And NO I don’t shop at whole foods. I prefer my food to be sprayed with carcinogenic chemicals and to be genetically modified to produce their own internal pesticides that will in turn cause my own gut bacteria to do the same. Food just tastes better that way and has a longer shelf life to feed the world and just overall will help to make America Great again…

        • Yep, “several thousand dollars” would certainly have academic scientists in line to sell out their souls and their entire careers, heh, heh, ritht. Yeah, it would be a friggin stampede of scientists to get to that pile of treasure. So what did it take for you to sell out Albie, a couple hundred bucks and a free t-shirt? Or are you one of those dime-a-dozen activists. Yep, thought so.

          • Why don’t you put down that Dell and get back to plowing the fields where you belong or did Monsanto put you out of business too?

          • I think you are going to have to explain “no-till” and its significance for more environmentally-friendly farming, to ole Al. Wait; that would presume he has intellectual curiosity, an open mind, and an interest in farming.

          • You young whipper-snappers think you can save the world with all of your bio-technology when all you’re really doing is making things worse for future generations. Sure, my peers say “bah” we’re not gonna be around Al, but I genuinely care about the future of this planet and the consequences that my grandchildren will have to face because of short-sighted nitwits who’ve sold out to corruption. This is nothing I haven’t seen before in my lifetime and I know how you pseudo-intellectuals operate and the type of shenanigans you’ll use to manipulate the young impressionable minds who come here to seek answers. You should be ashamed of yourselves for calling yourselves scientists. You’re a pack of hyenas whose stench reeks of trial lawyers…

          • Al, the only things you have brought to this forum are swearing, angry rants, anti-corporate conspiracy suppositions, and insults. You have not brought anything that relates to the safety, efficacy, and environmental sustainability of GE foods. Nothing. Just “sold out to corruption” and shill accusations, from the anti-science, anti-GE activist playbook 101. Borrrring — we’ve all heard it before from people like you who scrape the bottom of the barrel and have nothing cogent to offer.
            We get it. You hate biotechnology. (Unless it saves your life or that of. Your grandkids in medical situations, I guess.). You support other technology, though, and are fine with huge corporations who supply you with cars that kill people, communications technology that lets people like you spew misinformation and hate, and housing technology that lets you have a warm and dry place to live.
            We get it. You hate intellectuals and science.
            We get it. You hate lawyers.
            You know, Al, you can take your misinformed activism, hate and paranoia elsewhere. It is such an old predictable rant, and pretty tiring. You have something to offer the planet and your grandchildren? Great. Go out and do that.

          • That’s because there is no safety in a GE crops that produce their own pesticide. At least the intellectuals and scientists of my day had honesty & integrity. This is something that you along with Shillary lack dearly. With GOD as our witness, you will be judged!

          • 99.99% of pesticides consumed are plants natural evolutionary defenses. So either plants producing their own pesticide isn’t as much of an issue as you seem to make it, or you really shouldn’t be eating any plants, just for consistency’s sake.

          • Then the other .01% percent are unnatural Monsanto produced petro-chemical derived poisons? Why don’t you leave the plants alone then and let them handle their pesticides on their own? Because you’d rather spray that crap all over the earth until it’s a barren wasteland. So much for your so-called environmental sustainability!

          • Poor Al. “Barren wasteland.” Steeped in sci-fi bizarre thinking. You really loathe Monsanto, right? What about the other GE-selling seed companies?
            Poor Al. But hey, you know what? You and your paranoid buddies can eat organic and nonGMO certified! Tens of thousands of products, labeled in YUUUGE letters, just for you! And you don’t even have to think!

          • Here’s your playlist of greatest hits…Enjoy!
            Polychlorinated Biphenyls
            DDT
            Agent Orange
            Glyphosate
            Aspartame
            Bovine Growth Hormone
            Genetically Modified Canola, Cotton, Corn
            Roundup Ready Wheat

            Turn Up The Volume… Feed It To Your Kids!
            Good Luck!!!

          • If you think any and all human pesticide use is “unnatural Monsanto produced petro-chemical derived poisons,” you have a long way to go to actually understand enough about agriculture to have an informed opinion. Of the two main Monsanto pesticide type products, neither Bt nor glyphosate are petrochemical, nor are they particularly poisonous to humans. Matter of fact, the insecticide produced by Bt crops is very natural, it comes from a bacteria found in soil.

          • And is approved for use in organically-certified gardening. Poor Al — I just advised him to eat organic, and now he is going to be in a dither trying to figure out which organic crops have had Bt sprayed on them.
            Paranoia opens up all kinds of worlds of speculation, fantasy, and fear, doesn’t it? Too bad he was sleeping during his high school science classes.

          • Hmm… I wonder who in their right mind would approve such things. Let’s see…

            – Michael Taylor: Former VP in Monsanto who is now FDA deputy food commissioner

            – Tom Vilsack: Former pro-biotechnology governor of Iowa that was assigned as USDA secretary.

            – Roger Beachy: Former director of Monsanto who is now director of USDA

            – Elena Kagan: Took Monsanto’s side against organic farmers in Roundup Ready Alfalfa case and is now nominated to Supreme Court

            – Rajiv Shah: Former director of pro-biotech Gates Foundation who served as USDA secretary

            – Linda Strachan: Monsanto’s and DuPont’s representative who is assistant secretary for U.S. Department of Agriculture and EPA

            – Islam Siddiqui: Former DuPont and Monsanto VP who is now the representative of agriculture negotiator for US trade

          • You’re all working for Monsanto aren’t you? Like I said, just a pack of hyenas. Keep patting yourselves on the back boys. You’re the only ones here…

          • Naaaah, dude. Like I have told you before, Monsanto and the other GE seed companies don’t need posters to help them, even brilliant, scientifically literate, and knowledgeable people like myself, but thank you for your affirmation that my posts are worthy of reimbursement! (But from which GE seed company?)
            Also, Al, as I have told you before, I should also get shill bucks from the $60 billion organic industry also, right? Because I say over and over and over and over again that you should eat organic and non-GMO certified food. Do those guys pay me? Do I get paid by both sides, ya figure? How do I get them to pony up and write me a check?
            Ah, your rage hath no fury like an ignoramus shunned and left in the dust (your own “barn wasteland,” actually) by science.

          • Ha! Ha! You posted an article that shows how “dusting” with Bt, an organic practice, can cause harm.
            Did you even READ this? Another agument for GE crops with Bt. In GE crops that are Bt crops, the Bt is inside the plant, not “dusted.” Organic gardeners “dust.” GE crops are not subject to the disadvantages that your posted article shows.
            You are desperate, and in your desperation you are inadvertently posting pro-GE arguments. Haha!
            Poor Al.

          • You’ve just made an argument for putting Bt inside the plant as a GE crop, rather than spaying it like organic gardeners do.
            Bees don’t “eat” Bt corn or cotton. Corn borers and cotton bollworms do. Get it?
            Poor Al.

          • Excellent point, JP. Ya think ole Al will read up on that ? Naaaah, I didn’t think so either. The activist woo has short-circuited all intellectual curiosity in his propagandized brain.
            For any others who are curious and interested about natural pesticides in food, very few of which have been tested for safety but that we eat anyway, read:

            http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7777.full.pdf

          • God has judged me and finds me smart, intellectually curious, and scientifically literate. God knows, as well as most of us here, that Bt, the only pesticide in a GE crop, does not affect the human gut the way it affects an insect gut. Additionally, Bt is used widely by organic gardeners, but they – OOPS! – inadvertently also kill non-target insect species with it.
            Please educate yourself. Talk to God. Or even just google “Bt insect human gut” and read the scholarly articles. Can you do that?

        • Gut bacteria? From GE foods? Please, enlighten us with any citations. Not from Seralini or Benbrook or Weil or Mike Adams or Food Babe or Michael Pollan or other anti-GE pro-organic activists who get paid to spread misinformation and lies, but from a legit scientific source, please.
          And please send a list of the scientists who have received monetary “bribes.”
          (Other than Chuck Benbrook who advertises that he will spin for the organic industry, against GE, for big buck$, and Vandana Shiva, who gets $10k a pop for lies about suicides in India, that is. Of course, Shiva isn’t a scientist, but she pretends to be.)
          And stay far away from GE foods. Too complicated for you. Please eat organic and nonGMO certified. Why, there are literally tens of thousands of these products with YUUUGE letters advertising them, so you don’t even have to think! [Note: This last paragraph brought to you courtesy of the $60 billion organic industry, and its competitor, the Non-GMO Certification Project, who have so far selfishly declined to send me my shill check.]

          • Good4U —- • 2 months ago
            Oh, —-….what about the transgenesis that happening right now, inside your pets, and in the soil, and on plants and animals all around you; and INSIDE YOUR OWN GUTS? That’s right, deep in your own innards organisms from different species are rampantly and uncontrollably trading DNA, every second of every day of your life, and even after you die, until your entire biomass is decomposed. Are you going to tattoo your forehead to warn people that you are a walking, talking, breathing GMO? If you are now leaving for the tattoo parlor, great. Get back with us in a year or two and let us know how your love life is going!
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        • Oh, of COURSE he is! Why, he says he “loves uneducated voters,” and I am so sad I can’t be part of his hate, bigotry, and ignorance party. I applied, but he said although I was too smart to vote for him, he was still much smarter than I am. Go Donald!

    • Why, thanks, Al! I love hearing from fans who appreciate my insightful, wise, knowledgeable, and helpful posts, and think they are worthy enough for me to get paid for doing them! Thank you, bro!
      Of course, there are a few little problems. Who pays us? Which seed companies, specifically? Numerous GE seed companies. Do they have a joint account, maybe, from which they pay pro-farming, pro-science posters?
      Another little problem: I have said over and over and over and over again that if you do not wish to accept the long-determined science about GE foods, and don’t want to eat them, you should definitely eat organic and nonGMO certified. Do I get paid by the organic industry, also, for recommending this? Wow! I get paid by both sides!
      Oh, and the GE seed companies don’t need “paid shills.” They are doing quite well on their own.
      But thanks for the support, bro!

  21. Stealth Danger has censored me everytime I try to post a comment on his extreme news articles. Not knowing any better I was trying to give the guy a chance but he won’t hear my opinion or questions.

    • Well, at least you get to comment on this site. Natural News and others like it don’t permit that. They just publish their manifestos (really they’re just modern day “papal bulls”) and expect their readers will just follow their edicts with no intent to reply. What sentient reader would do that?

  22. Probably not the smartest thing to do. However genetic modification is a common practice among those who seek to be gods by creating new things by taking a little DNA here and a little DNA there and splicing them together and etc. I thought this was going to be a substanative article. I wouldn’t be in the same room with a Monsanto agent. Or an FDA good for that matter.

  23. Well, if you hate the guy so much, stop giving him such great publicity. Frankly, I’ve looked around the internet, trying to research Mike Adams and the only thing I can find about him is that he is against genetically manipulated seeds, is skeptical of immunizations, is against food chemicals, and believes in natural health solutions instead of popping pills from your doctor’s office. I hate to say it, but none of that is ‘fringe’. All of Europe is anti-GMO. All of Asia believes in holistic, natural medicine based on prevention, not reaction. And skepticism about immunizations, especially when considering the entire population (as opposed to individuals) is not only mainstream, but a legitimate concern for ‘mainstream’ doctors and scientists as well. There HAS been a ‘rubberband’ effect of the overuse of immunizations that is being observed in our populations. What amazed me the most as I did my research on this guy, Mike Adams, is the VIRULENCE of the hatred being shown by so-called ‘scientific’ bloggers and progressive media types. Such language! In the end, why do you care what he thinks? The only thing I can see is this: the things he opposes involve chemicals. And guess who makes the chemicals? Massive PHARMACEUTICAL and CHEMICAL COMPANIES. And Mike Adams has a site and a voice that is highly INFLUENTIAL in this nation and that frightens them. And THAT, my friends, is why they need to discredit him PERSONALLY like this. Every time I hear the slur, ‘conspiracy theorist’ anymore, I am starting to think that the person must scare the powers that be. It is becoming the label of the unafraid hero, methinks. tsk, tsk. tsk. This is America, after all. I thought we all had the freedom of speech and opinion. You’d think they would just let him think what he wanted. But they sure are expending an awful lot of effort to squelch his voice, no?

  24. I cant believe this, why are people so sure that the powers that wont be are not doing this soft kill on us ALL. FBI, please those are as crooked as they all are. It is not false. We are all being poisoned by way of food, air and BIG Pharma…As to Monsanto and their weird seeds, HMM people just research. Then you WILL KNOW THE TRUTH!

    Chemtrails not real Bravo Sierra ,WOW Look up! they are up in the sky. I took the following pics. I can take pics every day of these airplanes marking up the sky.. Unbelievable

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/058fb128b2bd50fff648bb7154a6b87ea987b25523134fee23b3af9b674d816e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adbbbc68c2e85b24f411446cd30c992635d624c73f0ecaa9109771d7b62b844a.jpg

  25. “…attacking supporters of genetic engineering as modern day Nazis, SUGGESTING that anti-GMO activists should consider murdering scientists and journalists for their crimes against humanity. .” NO. You don’t get to decide what someone else is thinking. There is no mention or suggestion anywhere in Mike Adam’s articles, EVER, of killing anyone. WOW. This is a rampant problem with people today. Too lazy, or ignorant, to actually thoroughly read.

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