French parliament votes against banning glyphosate herbicide by 2021

| May 30, 2018

France will continue to work towards removing the herbicide glyphosate from use by 2021, President Macron has confirmed, despite MPs overwhelmingly rejecting the proposals in a vote on Monday [May 28] night.

Benjamin Griveaux, spokesperson for the President, declared today that “it will be done”, even if it is not “written in law”.

“The commitment of the President of the Republic towards removing glyphosate within three years is clear,” he said, in a radio interview with news source France Info….

The announcement comes less than one day after MPs in the Assemblée Nationale overwhelmingly rejected amendments that would aim to remove the herbicide – which is the most-used in France – from circulation.

Related article:  Using gene editing, scientists develop glyphosate resistant flax plant

An amendment that would have legislated to remove the herbicide from May 1 2021, was rejected by 63 votes to 20.

Yet, President Macron had already promised that the substance would be forbidden in France by 2021, despite the European Union’s controversial decision to renew the herbicide’s licence for the next five years.

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44 thoughts on “French parliament votes against banning glyphosate herbicide by 2021”

  1. it is sad that discussions about banning glyphosate are almost entirely political with very little science. – At least it creates a good market for US grain.

    • Every study done on the effects of Roundup on sperm count show that exposure to Roundup significantly reduces sperm count. Please go to ScienceDirect site and search for Roundup and Sperm. Please let me know if you are able to find one study that shows anything other than Roundup exposure significantly reduces sperm count. If a product is shown to significantly reduce one’s sperm count, would you consider that reproductive harm?

          • I’m almost afraid to ask this question because I really don’t want to know about your sexual habits, but how would a man’s sperm be subjected to direct contact with glyphosate???? Intrauterine glyphosate suppositories? Glyphosate treated condoms??? Are you suggesting that during in vitro fertilization glyphosate is added to the petri dish??
            All the studies showing the harmful effects of glyphosate involve putting sperm cells in direct contact with glyphosate. Or, they are meaningless correlations studies.

          • I think you are conflating a poorly conducted study done on Atrazine with the multiple studies I am referring to on the effects of Roundup (glyphosate herbicide) on rats. In most of the studies I am referring to, which can be found on ScienceDirect by searching for Roundup and sperm, Roundup is added to rats’ food supply in small amounts, comparable to real world exposure levels. The rats with Roundup added to their food all had significantly reduced sperm count when compared to the control groups, even at the lowest Roundup exposure levels, which are comparable to real world exposure levels commonly found in food products like wheat, corn, soy, etc. If there was just one study showing that Roundup exposure at real world exposure levels caused significant reduction in sperm count, I would be skeptical. But, when there are dozens of studies, which all have come to the same conclusion,then I think it is pretty safe to say that exposure to Roundup causes reduction in sperm count.

          • “Roundup is added to rats’ food supply in small amounts, comparable to real world exposure levels.”

            Bull! The example you gave me was not in real world amounts.

          • The tolerance established for glyphosate residue in our food is set to 30 parts per million in foods like barley, rice, cereal, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like 30 ppm coverts to a dose of 30 mg/kg body weight according to this conversion calculator linked below.
            https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/180.364
            http://www.endmemo.com/sconvert/ppmmg_kg.php
            The study I linked to used the lowest does of 3.6 mg/kg body weight, which is less than what is allowed in our food. So, I would consider that a real world exposure level.
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940299316302585

          • They did the study on 4 groups of rats, with 8 rats in each group. Some groups were given lower levels of Roundup, and some given more. However, if you read the results, there was a significant reduction in sperm count in ALL of the rats that were exposed to Roundup, including the ones given Roundup at a mere 3.6 mg/kg body weight exposure level. Thanks again for your service.

          • Yes, I know that.

            However, there was significant difference between the largest and smallest doses in sperm count reduction.

            In addition, I don’t deny that is what the paper is saying. I deny that you are being honest, especially since you claim that no paper shows sperm count unaffected by RoundUp, yet i just posted one that shows that and you lie about the contents of that study.

          • Yes, when you go to ScienceDirect and search for “Roundup Sperm”, there are 170 results. Per your request I have listed the titles of the the first dozen.
            1. Reproductive toxicity of Roundup herbicide exposure in male albino rat
            2. Toxic effects of the herbicide Roundup in the guppy Poecilia vivipara acclimated to fresh water
            3. A commercial Roundup® formulation induced male germ cell apoptosis by promoting the expression of XAF1 in adult mice
            4. Effects of glyphosate exposure on sperm concentration in rodents: A systematic review and meta-analysis
            5. Roundup disrupts male reproductive functions by triggering calcium-mediated cell death in rat testis and Sertoli cells
            6. An acute exposure to glyphosate-based herbicide alters aromatase levels in testis and sperm nuclear quality
            7. A glyphosate-based herbicide induces necrosis and apoptosis in mature rat testicular cells in vitro, and testosterone decrease at lower levels
            8. Effect of glyphosate on reproductive organs in male rat
            9. Potential toxic effects of glyphosate and its commercial formulations below regulatory limits
            10. Formulants of glyphosate-based herbicides have more deleterious impact than glyphosate on TM4 Sertoli cells
            11. Effects of Roundup formulations on biochemical biomarkers and male sperm quality of the livebearing Jenynsia multidentata
            12. The teratogenic potential of the herbicide glyphosate-Roundup® in Wistar rats

          • The 4th paper was a lit review of only 8 (8!!) papers.

            The abstract of your eighth paper says: “Taken together, we conclude that glyphosate alone has low toxicity on male rats reproductive system.”

            The 7th paper was exactly what you said these papers were not, dealing with isolated cells.

            The last paper isn’t even about sperm.

            Did you read this stuff? Or you just figure that if you cut and paste some scary words it means you win?

          • As I stated, I simply provided list of the studies that came up under search results for Roundup and Sperm. While I have read several of those studies, I have not read all of them, but will be happy to discuss any of the studies with you. I agree with you that a lit review on only 8 papers should not be included in a serious examination of this issue, so lets forget about that one. Also, let’s forget about the paper dealing with isolated cells as well, along with the study that was not done on sperm. That leaves 9 studies that are on the first page of search results under Roundup and Sperm that all have come up with the same conclusion, which is the exposure to Rounudup causes reduction in sperm count. If you can provide link to a study that shows that exposure to Roundup does not reduce sperm count, then I will be happy to look at it.

          • An acute exposure to glyphosate-based herbicide alters aromatase levels in testis and sperm nuclear quality

            Effect of glyphosate on the sperm quality of zebrafish Danio rerio

            I didn’t even look at all 170 papers, and I found 2 that show that you haven’t told the truth.

          • Yes, this study was done on Glyphosate’s effect on sperm count, which I agree is minimal. We were talking about Roundup’s effect on sperm-count, which is glyphosate plus surfactant (there are several formulations in use). Nevertheless, the studies which are done using actual formulation of Roundup, which include surfactant to allow for the glyphosate to actually be absorbed by the test subject, have all have come to the same conclusion, which is the exposure to Roundup causes a significant reduction in sperm count. Thank you for your service.

          • And if you read the papers, you would see that the first study was done on RoundUp.

            Now, I have proven you wrong. You don’t want to have an honest discussion. Good bye.

          • Yes, I read the study, and the conclusion is that exposure to Roundup, even at the lowest does tested, 3.6 mg/kg body weight, which is less than what is allowed in our food, resulted in significant reduction in sperm count. Yes, I know the study was done on Roundup. Roundup is what we have been discussing, is it not? I am not concerned about being right or wrong, I am just trying to determine if exposure to Roundup causes reduction in sperm count, and this study alone with several others clearly show that it does. Nevertheless, I will be happy to look at another study if you have link to one that shows that Roundup increases sperm count or has no effect.

          • I’m sorry, I just looked through all of your posts, and don’t see where you posted a study that looked at Roundup, and found no effect on sperm count. Could you link to it again, and I will be happy to look at it.

          • Thanks, I believe I found the study you are referring to, which was #8 on my list, but you did not actually link to it, so I was having trouble finding it.

            Effect of glyphosate on reproductive organs in male rat
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S006512811630099X

            Yes, I see in the abstract that they say “few evidence exists to imply the male reproductive toxicity of glyphosate alone in vivo”

            Notice they were careful to say glyphosate alone. As in not actual formulations of Roundup, which include glyphosate plus a surfactant that allows for the glyphosate to be absorbed.

            This study was conducted with glyphosate alone, without a surfactant, which is not real world condition, because glyphosate is not used by itself, it is used in Roundup and generic glyphosate herbicides as a mix with surfactants. Nevertheless, the 2nd highlighted point on the study says – “Glyphosate decreased the weight of seminal vesicle gland, coagulating gland as well as the total sperm count at a dose of 500 mg/kg.” So, while it did take a higher dose because of lack of surfactant, they still got the same result of decreased sperm count as is seen at much lower doses to exposure to actual formulations of Roundup that is sold in stores, as was seen in the previous study we discussed, which saw significant decrease in sperm count at the lowest Roundup exposure level of 3.6 mg/kg body weight.

            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940299316302585

            Thank you for your service.

          • And no, that is not the study. that study looked at glyphosate alone.

            I posted a study that looked at Glyphosate-based herbicides (RoundUp). You replied immediately afterwards that said that study did not include RoundUp formulations. You lie. And this isn’t the first time you have been less than honest.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/geneticliteracyproject/science_mom_challenges_meal_delivery_service_blue_aprons_non_gmo_food_policy/#comment-3348445493

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/geneticliteracyproject/science_mom_challenges_meal_delivery_service_blue_aprons_non_gmo_food_policy/#comment-3350656067

            Now, we have established that you have a history of not being honest. I did in fact find a study that says the opposite of what you claim, and that you will use deceptive tactics to mislead or distract. This is my final words to you:

            Kindly, please go fuck yourself. Thanks!

          • Awe, how cute. Poor little Damo is refusing to provide a link to this study that supposedly shows Roundup increases sperm count, and is unwilling to accept the simple fact that exposure to Roundup reduces sperm count, so has chosen to resort to Ad hominem attacks instead. It is obvious to anyone reading your comments that there is no study that shows Roundup increases sperm count, or else you would simply provide the link so we can discuss it. But, nice try though. You gave it your all, but your all just wasn’t good enough.

          • I provided the title which you apparently were able to use to find and read the article, because you responded this when I first posted the title:

            “Yes, this study was done on Glyphosate’s effect on sperm count, which I agree is minimal. We were talking about Roundup’s effect on sperm-count, which is glyphosate plus surfactant (there are several formulations in use). Nevertheless, the studies which are done using actual formulation of Roundup, which include surfactant to allow for the glyphosate to actually be absorbed by the test subject, have all have come to the same conclusion, which is the exposure to Roundup causes a significant reduction in sperm count. Thank you for your service.”

            Or you didn’t read the paper, and you just posted a canned response. Which makes more sense since the name of the paper was “An acute exposure to glyphosate-based herbicide alters aromatase levels in testis and sperm nuclear quality” which looked at RoundUp (a glyphosate-based herbicide).

            You then denied several times that I posted such a title and pretended that I posted other titles. Which I did not ( I did however point out that your supposed list of papers dealing with sperm and RoundUp were not all about sperm and RoundUp, so how could they all come to the same conclusion?).

            Now you claim that I am using ad hom, which I am not. I am pointing out that you are being dishonest, and further, I showed other instances of you being dishonest.

            Also, now you want a study that shows that RoundUp INCREASES sperm count. Which 1) I would think would be more alarming than decreasing sperm count and 2) is you shifting goal posts.

            We can talk when you get some integrity and honesty. Until then, go fuck yourself.

          • you had said that ” I did in fact find a study that says the opposite of what you claim”. My claim is that Roundup reduces sperm count. If you found a study that shows the opposite of that, which is that Roundup increases sperm count then I would love to see it. Neither of these two studies show that Roundup increases sperm count, or had no effect. But, let’s take each study one at a time to avoid confusion. The zebrafish study was not done on Roundup. It was done with Glyphosate only, and did not include surfactantats that are found in actual formations of Roundup. However, “The results showed that glyphosate can induce harmful effects on reproductive parameters in D. rerio and that this change would reduce the fertility rate of these animals”. So, while glypohosate alone does not have as stong of sperm reduction action as does Roundup, it still reduces the fertility rate, or causes reproductive harm.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25089920

          • The opposite of “there is no study that shows that RoundUp increases sperm count or had no effect” is a study that shows that RoundUp does increases sperm count or had no effect.

            Go away, liar.

            “A rise of abnormal sperm morphology and a decrease of the expression of protamine 1 and histone 1 testicular in epididymal sperm are observed despite a normal sperm concentration and motility.”

            EDIT: Corrected a typo, changed doesn’t to does.

          • Again, the zebra fish study was NOT done on Roundup. It was done on Glyphosate without the surfactants present in Roundup that is used in the real world.. Had they done the study on Roundup then it could be used to disprove or support my claim that Roundup reduces sperm count. Nevertheless, glyphosate alone did cause the zebra fish reproductive harm, even though it did not decrease sperm count. However, my claim that Roundup reduces sperm count still stands.

          • I am not talking about a zebra fish study and you won’t address the first study I posted because it is proof that you are a liar. Now, as I said before, GFY.

          • Yes, let’s address the first study:
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1382668914001227
            I see that the study was conducted with an actual formulation of Roundup, and yes you are correct that it did not show a decrease in sperm count. ” A rise of abnormal sperm morphology and a decrease of the expression of protamine 1 and histone 1 testicular in epididymal sperm are observed despite a normal sperm concentration and motility”. So, I stand corrected. While some studies show that Roundup decreases sperm count, other studies show that it just causes abnormal sperm. Either way, both are considered reproductive harm. Can we both agree that Roundup exposure has a negative impact on sperm quality, if not quantity?

          • PPM to mg/kg is not the same as mg/kg of body weight.

            A parts ppm conversion is talking about the amount in the food, not the amount per million in my body after consuming it.

            You are either being dishonest or don’t know how to do math,

          • Really, you need to be taught that you don’t weigh the same as the food you are eating?

            30 ppm is parts per million as in 30 parts glyphosate per million parts whatever. 3.6 mg/kg is also a dose, based on the body weight of whoever is getting it. A 165 lb man weighs 74.84 kg, 3.6 mg per 74.84 kg equals 269.42 mg.

          • Damo made you look foolish. You can get away with sloppy science on wacky websites like “Natural News” and “Mother Jones”, but there are real scientist that view this site.

          • Thanks for pointing that out. By the way I shorted Bayer the day that Dwayne Johnson won his lawsuit for Roundup exposure causing his cancer, and it has paid off nicely, so hopefully I have redeemed myself a bit with that move.

          • In other words, is there a paper that you read and are comfortable with discussing the details of that shows exactly what you are claiming.

          • The paper clearly states that ” Significant reductions (p < 0.05) in sperm count, percentage motility and significant (p < 0.05) increased in abnormal sperm cells were observed in the exposed rats."

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