Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts

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via Forbes

Are most modern Jews primarily of European or Middle and Near Eastern ancestry? That controversial subject—at the heart of the debate over the historical ‘right of return’ claimed by many religious Jews—is back in the headlines with the release of a massive new study published in Nature Communications challenging some established views of the origins of European Jewry.

The total Ashkenazi population is estimated at around 8 million people. The estimated world Jewish population is about 13 million.

Before the advent of advanced DNA research, it had been thought by some historians that European Jewry traced to the largely pagan population of ancient Khazaria in the Caucuses, whose leadership was believed to have converted to Judaism beginning around 700 AD. But that theory—known as the Khazarian hypothesis—has been largely discredited by DNA research. One geneticist, Eran Elhaik, has recently attempted to revive the theory, but his research has been sharply challenged.

A groundbreaking paper published in 2000 by Harry Ostrer, a professor of genetics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, and University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer showed that most modern Jews are descended on their male side from a core population of approximately 20,000 Jews who migrated from Italy over the first millennium and eventually settled in Eastern Europe.

“All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins,” Ostrer has said.

Known as the so-called “Rhineland hypothesis,” the consensus research holds that most Ashkenazi Jews, as well as many Jews tracing their lineage to Italy, North Africa, Iraq, Iran, Kurdish regions and Yemen, share common paternal haplotypes also found among many Arabs from Palestine, Lebanon and Syria. Only a small percentage of the Y-DNA of Ashkenazi Jews—less than 25 percent—originated outside of the Near East, presumably as converts.

This historical and genetic mosaic has provided support for the controversial concept of a “Jewish people.” The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. It is invoked by some religious Jews to support territorial claims (even though, based on this research, many Arabs, including Palestinians, where therefore also have a genetic ‘right of return’).

But what about the female lineage? That history is more obscure and contentiously debated. Duke University’s David Goldstein and Mark Thomas of the Center for Genetic Anthropology in London reported in 2002 that much of the mitochondrial DNA of women in Jewish communities around the world that they examined did not seem to be of Middle or Near Eastern origin, and indeed each community had its own genetic pattern. This suggested that migrating Jewish men might have taken on local wives, who converted to Judaism. The estimates of the percentage of Ashkenazi women of European image was probably more than 50 percent, they estimated, but the data was too murky to come up with a firm estimate.

But a subsequent and more extensive study in 2006 by a team based at Technion and Rambam Medical Center in Haifa suggested that Ashkenazi women—40 percent or more—may indeed have had ancient Near and Middle Eastern roots, and may have accompanied their husbands as part of families migrating together.

The new study published in Nature Communications aligns itself more closely with the 2002 hypothesis, although there are differences. Professor Martin Richards, who heads the University of Huddersfield’s Archaeogenetics Research Group (and who participated in the 2002 study), and colleagues sequenced 74 mitochondrial genomes and analyzed more than 3,500 mitochondrial genomes – far more data than the 2006 survey, which reviewed only a short length of the mitochondrial DNA, containing just 1,000 or so of its 16,600 DNA units, in all their subjects.

Richards and his team claim that maternal lineages did not originate in the Near or Middle East or the Khazarian Caucasus but rather, for the most part, within Mediterranean Europe. Another twist in the findings: Jewish women may have been assimilated in Europe as far back as 2,000 years ago—earlier than most other studies have projected. The researchers believe the DNA could trace back to the early Roman Empire, when as much as 10 percent of the population practiced Judaism, many of them converts. Overall, they claim, at least 80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe while 8 percent originated in the Near East, with the rest uncertain.

According to Nicholas Wade of the New York Times, Doron Behar, one of the key authors of the 2006 analysis, said he disagreed with the conclusions, but has provided no detailed critique as yet.

Wade also talked to David Goldstein, who said he believed the estimate that 80 percent of Ashkenazi Jewry originated in Europe was too high considering the unpredictability of mitochondrial DNA data.

The new research underscores an emerging consensus that wandering Jewish men, from the Near East, established a mosaic of small Jewish communities—first in Italy and then scattered throughout Europe, often taking on local gentile wives and raising their children as Jews.

Jon Entine, executive director of the Genetic Literacy Project, is a senior fellow at the Center for Health & Risk Communication and STATS (Statistical Assessment Service) at George Mason University.

Additional Resource:

Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People, Jon Entine

  • August Pamplona

    Where do Sephardic Jews fit into this (if at all)?

    • Good question. From a genetic perspective, Sephardim are not as distinct a group, as there has been more intermarriage with non Jews over the centuries…so the data is harder to isolate. This particular study suggests that the common markers for Ashkenazi women are from the Near East and from Roman Jews…those populations preceded the founding of what became Sephardic Jewry. Many of these same markers are in Sephardic Jews as well.

      • L.M.

        I am one of the Ashkenazi Jews(100%) and I agree with this research,as we are different from Sephardic mentally and visually. We are more close to Italian or Roman people.
        It is absolutely incredible, how we are survive against assimilation !!! Believe me it was mostly from mother’s side – not to assimilate. Family pressure on kids to choose suppose from Ashkenazi Jews transferred with blood. It is even more important than keeping traditions.
        You can eat what you want , you can dress up how you want, we will prefer , if you remember at least some of Jewish Holidays(no pressure), but you must to marry to same, as you are. You are growing up with it and just believe in you hard that you will be more happy with suppose from same kind, as you are. The funny thing that I became same, as I became a mother…
        It doesn’t matter how many researches will be done in the world , we are here, we are existing, we are surviving and it is making us unique…..

  • hwshy

    Hitler didnt seem to mind where a “Jew” came from, going after even those with only one Jewish grandparent. In this aim, he had a deep complicity and working relationship with the leader of the Muslims in Palestine (the region in question where no Jews apparently ever came from), known as the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was also a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Now if we didn’t come from Palestine, why does my European Jewish granddaddy bear a certain resemblance to this Mufti?!!! And why do I get mistakenly asked if I am Arab every time I choose to grow a beard? :)

    • First, this study is contested by others. If it is accurate, it refers only to Ashkenazi women (again, other scientists dispute these findings, say the data suggests that 50% or more of Ashkenazi Jewish women do have Near East ancestry). No one that I know of disputes that most Jewish men–upwards of 75%–have Near East ancestral roots. So that could explain your Semitic looks!

    • American Firster

      Doesnt Israel also practice the “one grandparent policy”?

      • The Law of Return was modified in 1970 to extend the right of return to non-Jews with a Jewish grandparent.

        • Jonah Lissner

          Errata:

          “The total Ashkenazi population is estimated at around 8 million people. The estimated world Jewish population is about 13 million.”

          That is an old census figure. I have estimated at least 20 million Jews worldwide. The total, albeit sourced from Wikipedia, is somewhere between 14 to 18 million. Notice that the estimates tend to accrue on the low side:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ancestry

          That number is neither including Crypto-Jews of Europe or the Americas, nor Lost Tribes like the Amhara or Nilotic Israelites in Africa, let alone Asia’s Kurds or Pashtun.

          • David Ashton

            According to “The Jewish Chronicle”, 29 June, the Israeli JPPI says the number of Jews in the world is almost the same as it was “before the Holocaust”. 16.5 million then, and 14.2 million now, with a further 2.3 milion identifying as “partially Jewish”. 6.1 million in Israel and 5.7 million in America. It says six million were “murdered” by the Nazis, though the exactitude of this death-toll is disputed by serious historians, not only “deniers”, the Auschwitz mortality figure having been reduced from the Soviet figure used at Nuremberg.

          • Jonah Lissner

            Those are old census numbers. If you are in a major city you may look around and see how huge the Jewish populations are, not including peoples with Jewish ancestry because of the Torah belief. Even Wikipedia indicates the lowball figure of 8.5 million American Jews.

          • David Ashton

            Do you happen to know specifically (1) how accurate were the numbers of Jews in pre-war Europe reportedly supplied at Wannsee, and (2) the probable correct number of “Holocaust Survivors” in post-war Europe?

        • stewball

          Grandma.

        • 1abcde

          The “Law of Return” is not consistent. Proving that Jewish scholars can’t even come to an agreement on what a Jew is.

          Case in point. Decades ago a baby with Jewish parents was dropped off to a Christian family during the reign of Hitler. The family then raised the baby Catholic.

          The baby became a priest into adulthood. When he was informed of his past he decided to apply for Israeli citizenship and was denied! The Israeli Supreme Court declared he was not a Jew. The name of the priest escapes me, but this is one of the most widely known examples. There have been many more incidents of people with Jewish parents that became Christians are were denied the “Law of Return”.

      • Casey

        That’s a ridiculous comparison; the Nazis used it to make sure they could murder as many Jews as possible, Israel uses it to make sure everyone (whether they are Jewish or just descended from a Jew) is safe from antisemitism.

        • American Firster

          So much myth and hyperbole in your statement, but of course myth and hyperbole is the flavor of the day.

          • Kavod And Kaved

            Well, they got six million of us, but I guess that’s ok if for some reason, like needing that company for something, they left a few alive for the time being…and oh, let some go in exchange for bribes of course, let’s not forget that. As long as they just wanted to kill most of us….

            I’m sure you have a people of your own whose genetic purity could enthral you just as much.

          • Rach

            That 6 million number was never verified.

          • stewball

            It was probably more.

          • Viktor Stormare

            They love to write good Hollywood stories , and there wasnt even thst many Jews in all of Europe back . Around half a million jews were killed not 6 billion I mean million.

          • Chaplain Michael

            Because it served their purpose. Why is it too hard to understand that ruthless people will use whomever they can, and then dispose of them. We see it everyday in lesser degrees.

          • Only Jesus Nazi Freaks think that Hitler did NOT kill enough Jews.

            NEVER AGAIN YOU CHRISTONAZI PIG

          • Samir Halabi

            They didn’t kill every Jew because they didn’t have enough time to finish their murderous industrial genocide as they lost the ******* War you racist piece of Kharrah.

          • stewball

            Quite right. Is that how you spell חרא in English?

          • mark vincent

            Is it true that no autopsy report carried out on the thousands of victims of the Nazis has confirmed that death was from lethal gas.

          • stewball

            What business are you talking about?

      • stewball

        Grandmother is the only important element.

    • Samir Halabi

      The answer is simple the vast majority of Ashkenazim look Semitic and are Semites. Ashkenazim, Sephardim & Mizrahim all originated from the land of Israel. To be precise Judea. After the destruction of the 2nd temple 70AD and again after the Bar-Kokhba revolt against Rome the great Jewish dispersion took place, Jews were dispersed all over the Roman Empire, including the Rhineland, Gaul, Spain and later they spread further eastwards into Poland and Russia. However the overwhelming majority of these Jews from the Rhineland, France to Poland and Russia etc all looked semitic even though they were separated from their brethren who lived in the middle east, they still shared the same bloodlines which they didn’t share with their non jewish countrymen either in the Arab and Islamic world or in europe. This is the reason why people can mistake you for an Arab

      • Jim40

        How do you explain that Michael Oren Israel Ambassador in the USA or or Kirk Douglas or Fritz Lang and many others! lool like Scandinavian Baltic Germanic? and are pure Jewish… at least since the 15th Century when converting Pagans was then totally stopped by Churches (west and east)?
        Church and Nazis needed ID papers ligneages and a Yellow Star and denunciations to catch Jews who LOOK LIKE MIDDLE EASTERNERS???????
        Rubish…..

      • john doe

        As scholars learn more, the “all Jews from Israel” theory is becoming largely discredited. Many Jews look middle eastern because they mixed with Spanish and Portuguese people during the inquisition period. I believe DNA will discredit this “all Jews from Israel” nonsense before long.

        • Lucy S.

          You moron – how do you think “Spanish and Portuguese” people got to look Semitic? Spain was full of JEWS and ARABS for centuries, and many of them converted and assimilated into the gentile population before the expulsion in 1492. 1 out of 5 Spanish people of today has Jewish ancestry. And where have you got this phrase “all Jews from Israel”, anyway? Of course there have been converts along the way – that’s how the religion works.

          • ME

            Hey the whole damn world looks semitic because of the African, Greeks and Italians and most of Mesopotamia were peopled by Africans, where do you think Arabs get their ‘colour’ from but Abraham the Black man. why is greece the origin of white civilisation…because it was so close to Egypt where it got most of its knowledge from. The uk has many African lingusitc relations in terms of the names of their countryside, so too Ireland. It just that your white supremacist so called intellectuals and scientists were hell bent on telling you lies…and of course you wish to believe but the truth is coming out daily and soon it will be too much for some of you to bear and you will experience an inner death..never mind the physical death you will face…because of your works

          • mark vincent

            If being Jewish is just about religion why do they need DNA to prove their Jewishness.

          • mark vincent

            If 20% of Spaniards are of Jewish ancestry does that make them Jewish

          • Helen4Yemen

            Give me some pictures to prove your point.

        • Helen4Yemen

          I am Middle Eastern and I know of any European Ashkenazi that looks even remotely Middle Eastern. Here is a link that has over 100 picrures of the Ashkenazi. Let me know if you find anyone who does not look European/

          https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/
          https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/
          https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/how_white_is_the_ashkenazi_jew_very_white/

      • David Ashton

        “Semitic” is a linguistic term, applicable of course to Arabic and Hebrew. However, the Sephardim surely look more like Mediterranean people than the Ashkenazim. Lynn’s “Chosen People” divides “the Jews” into four main groups (though intermixture among them and with other peoples) has taken place.

        • Jonah Lissner

          BS”D

          That’s correct brother Samir, all Jews are related in a miracle of HaShem, from the Galut, we are the Remnants of the huge Hebrew-Israelite family of nations numbering more than 350 million people and rising fast over the Europeans and other national numbers. Let the Temple be rebuilt in Jerusalem speedily in our days.

          • disqus4700

            Unfortunately there is no way to find a first born high priest in the family of Aaron, the records were destroyed in 70 A.D. It could only happen with a deception and outright lie.

      • 1abcde

        Wrong. The vast majority of Jews were not from Judea, but from Alexandria Egypt!

        The DNA evidence proves that the Ashkenazi women were not from the Near East but were people indigenous to Europe. The women in Europe “converted” to Judaism. They were not the Jews of the Near East nor were they semitic.

        Did you comprehend the article?

      • Strod

        Yes, somewhere I read that the Romans took some 80000 Jews to the Iberian peninsula after the bar kokhba revolt. They’re the ancestors of most of the Sephardi Jews. 80000 may not seem much today but in those days it was a huge number considering that the global population was perhaps less than 100 mil.

      • Helen4Yemen

        “The answer is simple the vast majority of Ashkenazim look Semitic and are Semites. ”
        WRONG!
        https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/9898.jpg?ssl=1&w=300

      • Helen4Yemen

        “Ashkenazim, Sephardim & Mizrahim all originated from the land of Israel”

        https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/a-jewish-boy2.jpg?ssl=1&w=450

        EUROPEAN JEWS = EURPEAN

      • Helen4Yemen

        https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/19-2.jpg?ssl=1&w=450

        Why do you always leave out the African Jews?
        Are you embarrassed by the notuon of black Jews?

      • Helen4Yemen

        “Ashkenazim, Sephardim & Mizrahim all originated from the land of Israel. ”

        OR ORIGINATED FROM UR-IRAQ?

        https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ur123.jpeg?ssl=1&w=450

      • Helen4Yemen

        “However the overwhelming majority of these Jews from the Rhineland, France to Poland and Russia etc all looked semitic”

        https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/sanders-haniyeh.png?ssl=1&w=450

      • Helen4Yemen

        “This is the reason why people can mistake you for an Arab”

        https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/jewish-child-9k7.png?ssl=1&w=450

    • James

      I am African-American, and find out I have Ashkenazi blood line. I am in my sixties and been practicing Judaism all my life. I don’t know who in my family was Jewish; but I do know this. No matter how much Jewish blood I have, people will always tell me I am not Jewish; even though I am a citizen of Israel. So I say who cares what your blood line is. Just be Jewish.

      • stewball

        As far as. I’m concerned you are Jewish אחי.

      • Helen4Yemen

        You have no “Jewish blood”! There is no Jewish or Muslim or Christian blood.

        Here is a sample of what your DNA looks like if you are Ashkenazi.
        .
        Alan Dershowitz DNA
        98. 5% Ashkenazi
        0.4% Southern European
        0.1% Balkan
        0.9% Broadly European
        0.1% East Asian
        99.9% European
        0.0% Middle Eastern
        Source: PBS

      • 1abcde

        Jewish blood?

        There is no such thing as Jewish blood.

        It is no wonder why so many are confused to what a Jew is!

    • David Ashton

      Hitler said the Mufti had a funny “bird-like” face. Does your grandfather?

    • Goody Weaver

      I could be wrong, but I don’t think your “granddaddy” is an adequate sample for a peer-reviewed DNA study, which is what is in question here. The question really is, do white people from Europe have the right to seize the land of Arab people in the middle east due to a historical wrong committed against the first group? I’d say absolutely not, especially given the fact that there are literally thousands of groups with a better claim to land who aren’t going to see THEIR land returned (the hundreds of indigenous groups of the Americas is the clearest example, and quite parallel, since that genocide is the worst genocide in recorded history).

      • ME

        uh uh I think the amount of africans killed from the fall of the great black kingdoms of old up to today in the gulags of Amerikkka is a greater genocide in terms of numbers, but the evil added to the Indian Genocide by whites of still keeping them coralled in reservations and destroying them with the bottle (a practice that was perfected in Africa before the Europeans even knew about the New world

        • Law.Abider

          Hey, I agree that the Indians got a really RAW deal but to state that they are still “keeping them corralled in reservations and destroying them with the bottle” is utter nonsense. They can leave those reservations at any time and WHO is holding them down forcing them to drink that liquor? Stop your white bashing simply because you have a hard-on for whites!

          • ME

            Leave the reservation and go where? Washington maybe and while they at it they can attempt to establish a Indian nation ya think in DC.

            Yes they need to Indian up and get off that boozr.

            Africans can help in this orocess because after europeans bum rushed the continent with the same fork tongued diplomacy they quickly removed the Chief/King by killing, jailing etc and then even faster brought in the booze for the African sheeple who were now headless and rudderless. Its all documented, usually by thr fair european hand.

            This ancient process is easily mothballed and snowballed when needed Once a power can maintain hegemony its easy to mess with all types of sociaties. Ever wondered why there is a iquor store on nearly every corner where African Americans abide Not qiite the same scenario in your euro-amerikkkan neighborhoods.

          • 1abcde

            Slavery went on in Africa for a 1,000 yrs before a white man ever stepped foot on that continent. And the white man didn’t invade Africa they were invited by tribal leaders who sold off their own people (slaves).

          • ME

            Slavery was a world wide concept back in the day. However The Transatlantic Slave Trade was of a very very different nature. The folllowing highlights the subtle truths that as usual have been interpretated by european brains full of leprotic madness they rely on to tell African peoples they sold themselves.

            Afonso, King of the Congo 1509 to late 1542 or 1543
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_I_of_Kongo
            Although Afonso was outspokenly opposed to slavery and initially fought
            the Portuguese demand for human beings, he eventually relented in order
            to sustain the economy of the Kongo. Initially Afonso sent war captives
            and criminals to be sold as slaves to the Portuguese. Eventually
            Portuguese demand for slaves exceeded the country’s potential supply
            prompting their search for slaves from neighboring regions.[6]

          • 1abcde

            You’re correct in that slavery has been in existence sine the beginning of time. Blacks don’t have a monopoly on being slaves and whites don’t have a monopoly on being masters. In addition, slavery had nothing to do with “race” in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade.

            Blacks were enslaved by their own people in Africa. Tribal leaders would capture and conquer other black tribes.

            It was white Christians who fought to abolish slavery. 100 yrs after the West abolished slavery the Arab slave trade went on just as strong as before. In fact, the Arabs would cut the genitals off the black males so they couldn’t breed. A good reason you don’t see many blacks in the Arab world.

            Slavery still goes on in black Africa today.

            The Arab slave trade was much more brutal and lasted much longer than the Trans slave trade.

            Even black history professors acknowledge the black slavery in Africa. Whites didn’t invade Africa. They couldn’t!! They had no clue of how to navigate through the jungle. They had no immune system to fight off different disease. The black Africans were willingly sold off to Europeans in exchange for goods by black tribal leaders.

            Those are the facts.

        • 1abcde

          Learn some history clown. The American Indians were not subject to a systematic genocide.

      • mark vincent

        Historically according to the Bible the Jews seized the land form the indigenous population of Canaanites who were a Semitic people.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Great comment!

      • 1abcde

        Genocide? If you’re referring to the American Indian that was not a genocide. Liberal education?

    • ME

      The Grand Mufti ordered that Muslims and Christians MUST live in mutual peace and respect. Hitler needed the Mufti to explain to him who the real jews were because the word were they were black. So your assertian that he colluded with Hitler..long a canard by so called or self styled jews is utter crap

    • Viktor Stormare

      Hitler has a Jewish look and dna to prove it he was jew.

      • 1abcde

        Ok genius.

        What is a “Jewish look”? Also, cite the link/study that shows Hitler’s DNA proved he was a Jew?

        I’ll stand by and wait.

    • Helmut_Schmidt69

      Actually, Germans with 1 Jewish grandparent had full citizenship rights and duties. The only major restriction was they could only fight in the Wehrmacht and could not join the SS.

    • Helen4Yemen

      You did not come from Palestine. I am Middle Eastern and I see your European features from a mile away! You came after our land, our food, our music, our dance, our clothing, our art, our camel and now you say you look like US? Why do you of all Europeans look like us. You need to look into the mirror and smile at that European reflected on that mirror..
      https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/
      https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/
      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/how_white_is_the_ashkenazi_jew_very_white/

      https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ashkenazi-jew-458.jpg?ssl=1&w=300

    • Helen4Yemen

      They never ask you if you are Mexican or Asian or Greek but only Arab
      (I.e. Palestine)?

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/3jes-x-2.png

      “Now if we didn’t come from Palestine, why does my European Jewish granddaddy bear a certain resemblance to this Mufti?!!!”

      I am Middle Eastern and you are a wannabe! This is the day of DNA where it has been confirmed that all Ashkenazi have on average 96% Ashkenazi DNA.

      ————-
      “And why do I get mistakenly asked if I am Arab every time I choose to grow a beard? ”

      And why would anyone at 0% ancestry to the region as verified by DNA resemble the people of the region? Of all the lands on earth where people of color live, you just happen to match the people of the Middle East? Delusion.

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3-idf-aslk.jpg

      Do you look as “Arab” as these 3-IDF Ashkenazi?

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3-idf-lkl.jpg

      At 99.9% European DNA, the Ashkenazi are one of the purest and whitest of any European groups.

      • Charles N

        Very low informational quality. Anyone can see you are a propagandist. Good luck.

        1. Palestinians were Jews in the 1930s. The Palestine Post was Jewish. The Romans named it after the Jooos! Only in the 60s was there INVENTED the Pal nation. And didnt want the West Bank. They wanted to toss Jews out of Tel Aviv and Haifa. Supremacists.
        2. There are a majority of brown Jews in Israel! They were 1million expelled by Arab countries in the 1950s. Even black Jews Israel has. (How are blacks treated by Arabs?).
        3. Your maps have been shown to be inaccurate. Much of the green was public land, not Arab. And private Arabs lands were paid for. They will kill you today if you sell your land to a Jew, cos of their rejectionism and supremacism. It is Israel who attracted workers from neighbouring countries and gave them the best std of living of any Arab. And Israel who had 77% of their mandate land taken away and given to the Hashemites who weren’t even from there. But Jewish archaelogical sites are all over.

        Can you not even do basic research? You waste time and cause more tragedy.

        I would recommend researching these questions on well referenced sites like elderofziyon

        • Helen4Yemen

          https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3×3-ashkenazi-jews-45.jpg?w=900

          “Palestinians were Jews in the 1930s.”

          You mean snow-white Ashkenazi was referred to as “Palestinian”?
          Your problem is that you cannot produce one mention of lily-white Ashkenazi as “Palestinian”, can you

        • Helen4Yemen

          I wonder why Hitler never mentioned the word “Palestine”?

          September 16, 1919 – Hitler’s first known writing addressing Jewry.

          Dear Herr Gemlich,

          If the threat with which Jewry faces our people has given rise to undeniable hostility on the part of a large section of our people, the cause of this hostility must be sought in the clear recognition that Jewry as such is deliberately or unwittingly having a pernicious effect on our nation, but mostly in personal intercourse, in the poor impression the Jew makes as an individual. As a result, antisemitism far too readily assumes a purely emotional character. But this is not the correct response. Antisemitism as a political movement may not and cannot be molded by emotional factors but only by recognition of the facts. Now the facts are these:

          To begin with, the Jews are unquestionably a race, not a religious community. The Jew himself never describes himself as a Jewish German, a Jewish Pole or a Jewish American, but always as a German, Polish or American Jew. Jews have never adopted more than the language of the foreign nations in whose midst they live. A German who is forced to make use of the French language in France, Italian in Italy, Chinese in China does not thereby become a Frenchman, Italian, or Chinaman, nor can we call a Jew who happens to live amongst us and who is therefore forced to use the German language, a German. Neither does the Mosaic faith, however great its importance for the preservation of that race, be the sole criterion for deciding who is a Jew and who is not. There is hardly a race in the world whose members all belong to a single religion.

          Through inbreeding for thousands of years, often in very small circles, the Jew has been able to preserve his race and his racial characteristics much more successfully than most of the numerous people among whom he has lived. As a result there lives amongst us a non-German, alien race, unwilling and indeed unable to shed its racial characteristics, its particular feelings, thoughts and ambitions and nevertheless enjoying the same political rights as we ourselves do. And since even the Jew‘s feelings are limited to the purely material realm, his thoughts and ambitions are bound to be so even more strongly. Their dance around the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all the possessions that we feel deep down are not the highest and not the only ones worth striving for on this earth.

          The value of an individual is no longer determined by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the community, but solely by the size of his fortune, his wealth.

          The greatness of a nation is no longer measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual resources, but only by the wealth of its material possessions.

          All this results in that mental attitude and that quest for money and the power to protect it which allow the Jew to become so unscrupulous in his choice of means, so merciless in their use of his own ends. In autocratic states he cringes before the ‘majesty’ of the princes and misuses their favors to become a leech on their people.

          In democracies he vies for the favor of the masses, cringes before ‘the majesty of the people’, but only recognizes the majesty of money.

          He saps the prince’s character with Byzantine flattery; national pride and the strength of the nation with ridicule and shameless seduction to vice. His method of battle is that public opinion which is never expressed in the press but which is nonetheless manages and falsified by it. His power is the power of the money, which multiplies in his hands effortlessly and endlessly through interest, and with which he imposes a yoke upon the nation that is the more pernicious in that its glitter disguises its ultimately tragic consequences. Everything that makes the people strive for higher goals, be it religion, socialism, or democracy, is to the Jew merely a means to an end, the way to satisfy his greed and thirst for power.

          The results of his works is racial tuberculosis of the nation.

          And this has the following consequences: purely emotional antisemitism finds its final expression in the form of pogroms. Rational antisemitism, by contrast, must lead to a systematic and legal struggle against, and eradication of, the privileges the Jews enjoy over the other foreigners living among us (Alien Laws). Its final objective, however, must be the total removal of all Jews from our midst. Both objectives can only be achieved by a government of national strength and not one of national impotence.

          The German Republic owes its birth not the united national will of our people, but to the underhand exploitation of a series of circumstances that, taken together, express themselves in a deep, universal dissatisfaction. These circumstances, however, arose independently of the political structure and are at work even today. Indeed, more so than ever before. Hence, a large part of our people recognizes that changing the structure of the state cannot in itself improve our position, but that this can only be achieved by the rebirth of the nation’s moral and spiritual forces.

          And this rebirth cannot be prepared by the leadership of an irresponsibly majority influence by party dogmas or by the internationalist catch-phrases and slogans of an irresponsible press, but only by determined acts on the part of nationally minded leadership with an inner sense of responsibility.

          This very fact serves to deprive the Republic of the inner support of the spiritual forces any nation needs very badly. Hence the present leaders of the nation are forced to seek support from those who alone have benefited and continue to benefit from changing the form of the German state, and who for that very reason become the driving force of the Revolution — the Jews. Disregarding the Jewish threat, which is undoubtedly recognized even by today’s leaders (as various statement from prominent personalities reveal), these men are forced to accept Jewish favors to their private advantage and to repay these favors. And the repayment does not merely involve satisfying every possible Jewish demand, but above all preventing the struggle of the betrayed people against its defrauders, by sabotaging the antisemitic movement.

          Yours truly,

          Adolf Hitler

          The Adolf Hitler Historical Museum

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/jews-black-white-brown.png

            1 To begin with, the Jews are unquestionably a race, not a religious community. Does it mean that Hitler was unaware that there were Asian, Arab, African, Latin Jews? It is true that 90% or more of world Jewry is European.

            2 There is hardly a race in the world whose members all belong to a single religion. Again, Hitler must not have that there were Jews of many races.

            3 Through inbreeding for thousands of years, often in very small circles, the Jew has been able to preserve his race and his racial characteristics DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi are 99.9% European which makes them one of the purest and whitest of any European groups.

            4 As a result there lives amongst us a non-German, alien race, unwilling and indeed unable to shed its racial characteristics, Again, DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi are of European race at 99.9% and at 0% Middle Eastern.

        • Helen4Yemen

          “They wanted to toss Jews out of Tel Aviv and Haifa. Supremacists.”

          https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ashkenazi-jew-5mkl.jpg

          You need to stop hiding behind the word “Jew”. Were the Algerians supramacist for wanting foreigners gone? Were the Kenyans, the Libyans, the Indians? The Ashkenazi is European like the French who used the excuse of what god told Abraham of UR-Iraq to steal Arab land.

        • Helen4Yemen

          (How are blacks treated by Arabs?).

          They are not sterilized by force to eradicate the black population as the Ashkenazi Jews have done to the Ethiopian Jews.

          Go hear to access more articles and videos on how Ethiopian Jews are hated

          https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/ethiopian_jews_face_severe_discrimination/

        • Helen4Yemen

          “Among the Jews of Israel,
          47% are of Ashkenazi,
          30% of Sephardic and
          23% of Oriental origin.”

          http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v2/n11/full/

          https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/47.png

        • Helen4Yemen

          How the Arab Jews left: It lists how many Arab Jews were still in their own Arab countries in 1948, 1958, 1968, 1978. The Arab Jews were not expelled but left on their own. What kind of “expulsion” takes
          3-decades? On the other hand, the Ashkenazi expelled 900,000 Palestinians in a matter of a few months in 1948.

          Country………1948……..1958………1968…..1978
          Algeria………140,000….130,000……1,500….1,000
          Egypt…………75,000……40,000……1,000……400
          Iraq………….135,000……..6,000……2,500…..350
          Libya………….38,000…….3,750………100…….40
          Morocco…….265,000….200,000….50,000..18,000
          Syria………….30,000……..5,000…..4,000….4,500
          Tunisia………105,000…..80,000….10,000….7,000
          Yemen/Aden…63,000…….4,300……..500…….500
          Total………… 851,000…469,060….69,600..31,790

          The Arab Jews were aware that the Jews of Lithuania, Poland, Russia … were European and came for economic reasons.

        • Helen4Yemen

          By the time the stampede had begun by European Jewry to Palestine in 1882, Jewish land ownership was less than 0.1% of Palestine. By 1947, all that the Europeans managed to buy was 6.6% of Palestine and the rest they stole.

          Jewish land ownership in Palestine of total area of 26,323,000 dunums

          1882 …….. 22,500 …… 0.1%
          1900 ……. 218,000 …… 0.8%
          1914 ……. 418,000 …… 1.6%
          1927 ……. 865,000 …… 3.2%
          1936 ….. 1,231,000 ……. 4.7%
          1945 ….. 1,588,365 ……. 6.%
          1947 ….. 1,734,000 ……. 6.6%

        • Helen4Yemen

          ” Your maps have been shown to be inaccurate. Much of the green was public ”

          Was it for the benefit of the Lithuanian, Hungarian, Russian, German Jews’ benefit?

        • Helen4Yemen

          “And Israel who had 77% of their mandate land taken away and given to the Hashemites ”

          You mean the Arabs took away the land of the Lithuanian, Hungarian, German, Russian Jews?

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3×3-arabs.jpg

      Can you give us an idea what kind of Arab you believe you look like?

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/3×3-arabs.jpg

      You came after our land, our water, our food, our music,
      dance, art, clothing, you name it , you stole it. Now you
      claim that you the European do not resemble other
      Europeans but Arabs? When will you stop? When will you
      look into the mirror and smile to that European reflected
      on that mirror?

  • Greek food enthusiast

    How come the DNA says the Ashkenazi are 54% Greek and 21% Iranian, using the new Genochip 2.0, and the Greek DNA has the same percentages as the Tuscan. Would the mtDNA actually be Tuscan Italian, which actually is Bronze-age Greek, since old Etruscan/Tuscan language is similar to Greek spoken prior to 1,500 BCE? Why Italian rather than Greek, when the Italians marrying the Middle-Eastern men most likely were Greek speaking, with the majority of synagogues in ancient Rome being Greek speaking and only 23 Latin speaking? Any ideas? Thanks.

    • Chaplain Michael

      The latest study claims they are central European.

      • Jonah Lissner

        I agree with Lucy. This study proves the earlier stratum, which binds all Hebrews and Israelites in Europe, Americas, Asia and Africa is actually Afroasiatic Y and mtDNA [East Africa/Nile north to Levant/ Euphrates river]. Most Hebrews, Israelites and Jews have Afroasiatic direct or recognizable substratum.

        That is nowhere genetically near central europe or greece, unless your people studied are actually Afroasiatic in origin and claim for nationalist motivations, to be “100% central european or greek”.

        Moorjani, et. al. “The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews”. http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1001373

      • Berel Dov Lerner

        What a shame all the other “central Europeans” never came around to seeing it that way.

    • Dafydd

      Good point.

    • Helen4Yemen

      Here are a few samples of the Ashenazi DNA. They are the purest of the pure of any Europeans at a stunning level of 99.9% European. That is indeed as purebred at it gets.

      Tony Kushner DNA
      97.5% Ashkenazi
      0.1% Finnish
      0.1% Scandinavian
      2.2% Broadly European
      0.1% East Asian
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Rabbi Hammerman DNA
      97.2% Ashkenazi
      0.8% East European
      0.2% Southern European
      1.7% Broadly European
      0.1% Native American
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Joseph Cohen DNA
      96.2% Ashkenazi
      0.4% Eastern European
      0.1% N. European
      0.1% Southern European
      3.0% Broadly European
      0.1% East Asian
      0.1% Unassigned
      0.0% Middle East
      99.8% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Alan Dershowitz DNA
      98. 5% Ashkenazi
      0.4% Southern European
      0.1% Balkan
      0.9% Broadly European
      0.1% East Asian
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

  • Kenneth C.

    80% does not seem to be a rational or accurate estimate,I’ve read studies that have stated that a little more than half of Ashkenazi Jewish people do have levantine Mtdna from the near east…Why are they saying that it’s European and who came up with this supposed “conclusion”?

    • Kenneth, some geneticists dispute the conclusions by the Richards’ team. Talked with Martin, and he’s very confident that the maternal line of about 65-80% of today’s Ashkenazi Jews has ancient European roots. Others say it could be as low as 40%, but it is sizable regardless. I’m working on a mega story analyzing the claims and counter claims, but it won’t be out for a month or so. Stay tuned!!

    • Helen4Yemen

      Why ” levantine”? Don’t the Jews claim to descend from Abraham of UR-IRAQ, 1,000 miles away from Palestine?

  • KYKNOC

    The problem here is that, the human genome is 99.9% identical between all humans, and that more variation is apparent in cellular process then racial indication. Syrians and Jewish DNA are more similar as they share a semetic background, Arabs are more Assyrian-Persian in nature, but they both share the same ancestor which is the Sumerian. The Sumerian is the common ancestor, but all humans originated in AFRICA 150,000 Years ago. And were all 99.9 similar, we should stop focusing on roots and racial identification and more on how we are all human. Not hes this type of jew, and hes this type of jew, and hes african and this guys arab. But hes a human being, and shes a human being, and I am a human being. JUST SAYING!!!

    • Kavod And Kaved

      Studies of Arabian peninsula DNA, of people who have been there a long time, show a different story to yours. Iranian and Iraqi DNA are close to Levantine DNA (Syria, Palestinian, etc) while Arab peninsula DNA is distinct and closer to N. African. However it all depends WHICH DNA you are looking at, Y chromosome, MtDNA, or any given specific marker. People kept moving around and invading and leaving their DNA behind in bits and pieces. We’re all mongrels, and all DNA can tell us is which groups of people we’re likely to be more related to.

      And when you have to deal with all kinds of people suggesting you’re not really Jewish but a Khazarian simply because you have ancestors from Europe (as if all European Jews are Ashkenazi) you’d appreciate having the proof with which to say, Thanks for your ignorant opinion, but **** off now, because explaining that that’s not even how Judaism works just doesn’t seem to sink into their blood purity obsessed little left-wing racialist racist skulls.
      Obviously you have the luxury of not having who you are questioned daily, or perhaps you’ve bought into that whole self-hating white liberal deracinating shtick that insists that white people have no culture or distinction and only brown and black people can have cultures or be distinct and unique. You’re obviously a liberal, the fact that you are spending your time on dna sites for specific groups (obviously interested yourself, hypocrite) and then lecturing other people and telling them what to do and what to think makes that clear.
      Personally I find genetics fascinating, All the distinctions, and yet all the interrelationships. Like a magnificent cloth woven of multiple different colours. You go be colour-blind and see humanity as a big blob of undifferentiated communist grey if you want to. JUST SAYING!!!
      Twit.

      • Please stop conflating the actual left, with capitalists.

        We are one humanity, that shouldn’t present a problem to your land rights.

        I am of Ashkanazi ethnicity, but I know the difference between nationalism and religion. Who the hell questions you daily? What type of irritating stereotype are you?

        I know who I am, I don’t need anyone’s external validation. One humanity wouldn’t appear undifferentiated, to someone who knows how to judge character. It is your hyper nationalistic, and class obscurantist world-view that is sick.

        • Kavod And Kaved

          Uh, I’m ANTI-Zionist, not Zionist, not Leftist, religious Jew who doesn’t look like what most people think a stereotypical Jew looks like. I didn’t realize that that itself now constituted an “irritating stereotype” How silly of me not to realise what a trope I am.

          I’m not the only Jew who hears this crap ad-nauseum from Liberals and Leftists, even when trying to avoid them. I was just accosted by one in my neighbourhood last week.

          Genetics, unlike people doesn’t lie, and doesn’t have any agenda. Jews and Palestinians both have roots there going back 50 000. A genetic argument for sole possession (dubious to start with) would favour neither group.

          • I hate Liberals far more than you, don’t conflate them with Leftists.

            The left is colorblind, liberals are color ‘conscious’, anyone who thinks they are leftwing and promoting race essentialism is NOT a leftist. When you call them leftists is builds their cred, stop promoting them, Liberals reject every single last value of the left.

            I know the hard right grabbed hold of a couple good talking points, doesn’t make them right-wing talking points. It just makes Liberals center-right hypocrites.

            O, You meant that when you discuss your religion they address you ethnically? If so, I apologize most sincerely. I misidentified you as a far-right ethnocentric nationalist. In stead of someone with religious conviction, I respect those who define Judaism as a religion.

            Your left sounds like the American ‘left’ Just neo-liberalism, and touchy feely bullshit?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Genetics, unlike people doesn’t lie, and doesn’t have any agenda. Jews and Palestinians both have roots there going back 50 000”
            ___
            Yep! Genetics rendered it verdict and said Ashkenazi are 99.9% of European ancestry

            Here is a sample

            http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/were-all-people-color

          • KYKNOC

            I am right wing – authoritarian fyi – Obsession with the small genetic differences between racial classes of humans led to ubermensch and eugenics, this is not a path to go down specifically because it leads to hatred and destruction over the .01% differences in the human genome. I am proud of western culture and the European culture and feel it needs to be preserved as the liberal/communist agenda is destroying it. Culture is far more important than racial characteristics, and being a mixed european myself find it humorous that people actually think they are pure bloods. The Romans spread the races across the empire as slave/servants, and when the HUNS came they pushed all europe into a giant melting pot. While studying the variation of genes is fascinating my comment is simply warning of the dangers of classifying positive and negative traits of genetics. Most would argue that Nurture is far more important on a society than Nature so focusing on cultural differentiation would be far more realistic and eye opening.

          • David Ashton

            European culture will not be preserved if the Europeans are replaced by Africans, Arabs and Asians.

          • Helen4Yemen

            If Europeans would stop bombing the homes of Africans, Arabs, Asians, perhaps they would prefer to stay home?

          • David Ashton

            Not as simple as that.
            However, I have always thought that generally speaking European troops and bombs should not be in the Middle East, and Middle Eastern migrants and bombers should not be in Europe.

          • Helen4Yemen

            True, DNA does not lie! And DNA confirms the Ashkenazi ancestry to Poland, Lithuania, Hungary … at 99.9% and at 0% to Palestine. DNA confirms the ancestry of Palestinians at 90%+ to that region. And why would “Jews” share DNA with Palestinians anyway since they claim to be have descended from Abraham of UR-IRAQ, 1,000 miles away from Palestine. Listen: I am Middle Eastern and when I look at the Ashkenazi I am looking at George Bush or Hillary Clinton, very, very European.

            “Jews” and “Palestinians” are not mutually exclusive.

            Jews = Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Asians …
            Palestinians = Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists …

            https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/
            https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/
            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/how_white_is_the_ashkenazi_jew_very_white/

      • Mar Komus

        Wow! What did the commenter say/do that earned that kind of ire? Anyway, it’s been a couple of years. Hopefully you’ve cooled down?

      • 1harry2

        My ancestors practiced Judaism in Eastern Europe(although all are atheists today), but as my DNA has revealed I am 99% European; I have no Palestinian/Israeli or Middle eastern blood whatsoever, my European roots go back to PREHISTORY, and I am 2% non-Jewish Italian, which I am not at all surprised about in that in the Roman Diaspora many Gentiles converted to Judaism. No offense, but as my DNA shows(typical for Ashkenazi), no, we were NEVER there(In Israel).

        • Dafydd

          Maybe your ancestors were recent converts. or you did a cheap and unreliable test. That would be a very unusual result for most Ashkenazi Jews. A far more complex study than this in Columbia University shows Ashkenazi Jews to be approximately 50% Middle Eastern and 50 % European.

          • 1harry2

            That’s a good point, Mr. Dafydd. I got my results through Ancestry.com. Perhaps the question is, what is European Jewish? Is there some sort of presupposition that Middle Eastern is built into this? Do most European Jews like myself show a Middle Eastern source?

          • Dafydd

            Hi

            European Jewish is both Ashkenazi ( East/Central Europe ) and Sephardic , originating in Spain. The third group, the Italian jews, are also very close to the Ashkenazi, and have lived in Italy since 200BC. On the genetic level they are all very close.
            Yes, most European Jews show a Middle Eastern source, particularly from the paternal lines. The maternal lineages tend to be European.Many studies show the European line to be largely Italian or South European, even if they are East European Jews. with about 12% East European in addition

            The supposition that you mention that Middle Eastern should be built into this is the Biblical reference to the children of Abraham originating in the Middle East, and leaving the Levant after 70 AD. After 2000 years in Europe , one would expect to find early origins in the Levant followed by subsequent European admixture, , which is pretty much what has been found. European Jews are European/Middle Eastern hybrids.Interestingly, it is the maternal lines that are in general more European, which may cause the rabbis to rethink the idea that Jewishness comes from the mother. Biblically, tribal status always came from the father.Rabbis would rightly argue that Judaism was never based on race but faith, but strict laws of adherence did result in a distinct ethnicity.Perhaps the best way to describe the Israelites is a semitic race who became a nation, whom anyone could join if they embraced the God of Abraham.

          • 1harry2

            Dear Mr. Dafydd,
            Well, I did source that Columbia University study, but I still have questions relating to their assertion that European Jews show an admixture of Middle eastern and European blood, because they conclude that the same is true for non-Jewish Europeans. The Biblical sources are just that, but I do know that Jews lived in Italy even before the time of Jesus. The one powerful personal confirmation of what you have written and what my DNA results show is a definite “Italian” strain. My mother had always said she had thought she was of Italian descent, but it was discredited by the family. The 6% DNA that is non-Jewish is Italian, more or less, a finding that confirms a good deal of personal research and reflection the past 20 years. Thank you , and if you have more info please send it on! Harry Katz

          • Dafydd

            Hi Harry

            I think the Shai carmi study says that Europeans also have Middle Eastern ancestry which makes the study more complex – but that Middle Eastern ancestry is from a much earlier period. The Jews show more recent Middle Eastern ancestry . Therefore Shai Carmi refers to Jewish populations as “admixed ” which he does not apply to Europeans in general. My y chromosome for instance comes from my Lithuanian Jewish father, and is typically Middle Eastern. One would never or very rarely find such a chromosome among Lithuanian gentiles, even though Jews have lived there for close on a thousand years. Shai is shortly releasing a new study which will shed even more light on the matter, so it is worth keeping a lookout on the Internet over the next few months.

          • 1harry2

            Hi again Mr. Dafydd,
            I sent an e-mail out to Dr. Pe’er one of the authors of that study, and to my pleasant surprise he answered me within an hour and a half and corroborated what you wrote, especially with regard to the Jewish Middle eastern ancestry being much later. But, this Y chromosome that is Middle eastern-in your family- how was this identified? I am curious because I am also Lithuanian, ancestors from Vilnius. My DNA study did not identify a Y chromosome or Middle eastern ancestry. What would happen if you also submitted a DNA sample to Ancestry.com? Yet, the Italian component- which is probably much more recent than the Middle Eastern did show up, as I thought it would, on the female side. I have a very strong suspicion that many Italian Jews left Sicily and other parts of Italy after the advent of the Inquisition and found refuge, ultimately, in Lithuania , which around 1500 or so, was still an open country to Jewish people. What do you think of this hypothesis?

          • Dafydd

            Hi
            My y chromosome was identified in a study in 2002 when genetics had not come as far. It also consisted of only 6 markers from which you can usually tell very little except in this particular case it has one distinctive feature. The DYS 388 marker had 15 short tandem repeats.Most men have only 12. . , Haplogroups with more than 12 are common in Near Eastern countries.

            Regarding your hypothesis,it is very possible,as these migrations were documented, but I suspect one of many instances resulting in the Italian component. Roman Jews cluster very closely with Ashkenazi Jews anyway, and Italy was the conduit by which Jews entered Europe in the first place. Other reasons for it are large scale conversions of Italian women in classical times, so they may have already begun as an admixed population. It becomes more compclicated given that Ashkenazim descend from only 350 people who lived in the Middle Ages ( that is the only 350 people whose genes are left in us)

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi has as much Italian DNA as Middle Eastern DNA which is 0% for both.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi have 0% Middle East ancestry – ZERO!

            DNA DOES NOT LIE!

            Tony Kushner DNA
            97.5% Ashkenazi
            0.1% Finnish
            0.1% Scandinavian
            2.2% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • Dafydd

            Hi Harry

            I will be happy to do that. You rightly point out that ordinary Europeans also hail from Middle eastern sources, which can confuse the results. However, geneticists are able to tell when these near eastern sources arrived in Europe. In the case of Jews, the mingling of Near Eastern and Italian ancestry can be seen to have occurred recently ( ie about 2000 years ago, and then narrowing down to a bottleneck about 800 years ago, so the different histories can be traced. ( That’s my understanding anyway !)

          • 1harry2

            Thanks!

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi DNA reveals no trace of Italian or ME or Southern European DNA.

            The Italian DNA reveals no trace of Ashkenazi DNA bu substantial levels of ME DNA.

            The Ashkenazi is on average 96% Ashkenazi and the rest comes from Eastern Europe for a total of 99.9% European. That is pure-solid European.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

          • Helen4Yemen

            Aren’t Dershowitz and Oreilly both equally European, Dershowitz at 99.9% European ancestry and Oreilly at 99.8%. Tell me how the two men are different genetically?

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98.5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Non-Specific European
            0.1% South Asian
            99.9% European
            0.1% South Asian
            0.0% Middle East

            Bill Oreilly DNA
            British Irish 87.8%
            Scandinavian 1.7%
            Iberian 0.9%
            Finish 0.2%
            Broadly European 9.2%
            Unmatched 0.2%
            European 99.8%
            Middle East 0.0%

          • Dafydd

            Commercial studies tell you very little. Besides the fact that they deal with only one individual,which tells you nothing about population genetics, they deal with only a few markers. Shai Carmi’s for instance uses millions.

          • disqus4700

            A new year and you are still into the foolish discussion of geneaology you recommended we terminate. Paul knew from Daniel 12:7 and the Lord Jesus affirming the Desolation coming to the Old Covenant and the apostate city where the Lord was slain is why he told Titus and Timothy to dismiss it as any tenant to the Faith.. It was shortly the time of the end where the power of the holy people was soon to be utterly destroyed Dan 12:7 ( Their power was the Covenant with God)
            Jesus came in a Cloud of Judgement as He foretold to the Sanhedrin, destroying the City, avenging Himself on His enemies and those that were persecuting His Body, Temple and Records were destroyed utterly using the Roman armies. The New Hebrew believers and the Gentiles grafted into Jesus became children of Abraham, the New Creatures, the New Temple, New Jerusalem, The Bride. The Wall of separation is down there is now only the New Man in Christ.
            Is your interest because some chance of birth gives one a special claim to God? or just a cool interest in ones heritage. If the later is the case I have erred in your motive.

          • Dafydd

            Read Ezekiel 36 – the whole chapter

          • disqus4700

            Your error is that not all of Israel is Israel and you equate DNA with faith. The Epistle of Peter to the diaspora showed God did remarry Israel after the divorce and also Judah though the unrepentant harlot ones were burnt with fire 70A.D.. (the prophecy of Zechariah) by their faith and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. He destroyed Jerusalem (as He warned His disciples and His enemies and a New Jerusalem came from Heaven adorned as a Bride in the marriage of the Lamb.
            The following chapter Ez 37 even prophecies the born again spiritual nation Jesus conversed with Nicodemus about in secret. He gave Nicodemus a hint about the blowing wind (Ezekiel was told to call the Wind forth to blow over the valley of dry bones). The Born again experience is for all that accept Jesus Christ the Jew and Gentile into the new Chosen Nation and Royal Priesthood.

          • Dafydd

            Your error is to quote Romans 9 out of context with 10 and 11. You also have ignored Ezekiel 36 which explicitly refers to to a return of the Jewish people to their messiah as a nation, as does Zachariah 12-14. I suggest you read it.

          • disqus4700

            You error is what Jesus confronted with the Jews that thought their relationship to Abraham was a firewall. 1/3 did accept their Messiah, the Lord Jesus and remembering His Words fled the destruction of Jerusalem. 2/3rds were utterly destroyed for refusing His blessing and took on the curse of the broken Torah. The time of the end (Dan 12:7) of the old covenant came but the Kingdom of which there is no end began .
            I leave you with this from Hebrews. 12:22-24
            But you have come to Mt Zion and to the city of the Living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first born who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

          • Dafydd

            Read the scriptures I have suggested – they will give the ones to which you have alluded a clearer context

          • disqus4700

            I read them, The Lord Jesus is the hero and object of my Bible.

            Guess we just have to agree to disagree.

          • Dafydd

            Fair enough.

          • Helen4Yemen

            DARE YOU TO SHOW ME even one DNA report for any Ashkenazi with a score of even 1% ME ancestry? There are none! Ashkenazi is always at 0% ME and 99.9% European.

          • mark vincent

            Most Ashkenazi Jews are descended from 4 Eastern European woman, the most likely theory is that nomadic traders from the middle East who migrated to Northern Europe married local women and converted them to Judaism.
            The fact that Jewishness is passed down through the mother means that the Ashkenazi Jews are not Jews in the strict sense of the word.

          • Dafydd

            I know which study you are referring to – you have got a bit confused. Those 4 women were not East European. Read it again

          • Helen4Yemen

            Alex Feinberg………………… 99.8% European … 0% Middle Eastern https://twitter.com/strlen/status/287354859345281024

            The Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry – none – zero!

          • Helen4Yemen

            “European Jewish is both Ashkenazi ( East/Central Europe ) and Sephardic , originating in Spain.” Source please?

            ‘Yes, most European Jews show a Middle Eastern source, particularly from the paternal lines.” Meaning the Israelite men abandoned their women and children and traveled alone? What then happened to the Israelite left behind?

            “The maternal lineages tend to be European.Many studies show the European line to be largely Italian or South European”

            The Ashkenazi shares DNA with Italians at the same level as his ME DNA, which is 0%.

            “one would expect to find early origins in the Levant” Why Levant? Why not UR-Iraq the actual homeland of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob? How do you go about claiming ancestry to a land that the Abraham clan stole instead of to the very land where Abraham is from which is UR?

            “European Jews are European/Middle Eastern ”

            Eurpean Jews are 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern!

            Neil Gaiman………………….. 99.9% European … 0% Middle Eastern https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            “the best way to describe the Israelites is a semitic race ”

            They were from Southern Iraq now inhabited by Shia Muslims – who are in reality the blood cousins of the Israelite.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Actually, that is a very typical result for the Ashkenazi. Here is Rabbi Hammerman at 99.9% European. No Ashkenaz ever scores less than 99% European. How can one who is 99.9% of European ancestry and 0% of ME ancestry at the same turn around and he is now 50% ME. Don’t you know when to quit this nonsense of fake ancestry?

            http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/were-all-people-color

          • Dafydd

            A huge number of studies in universities world wide with broad spectrum samples have been made on Ashkenazi genetics. They are all in the public domain. Read them.

          • mark vincent

            Why do most Ashkenazi Jews look like their neighbours, why do Black Lemba Jews look like their neighbours and why do keifeng Jews look just like their Chinese neighbours.

          • Dafydd

            Ashkenazi Jews do not look their neighbours. This is especially true when you see them in Ukraine and Poland ,They are often distinguishable as Jewish. Keifeng and lembas do look like their neighbours and if you study their genetics you will see why.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Can you find me one Ashkenazi from the pictures on the link below that has even a remote resemblance to the people of the Middle Easts? Nah!

            European Jews = European.

            Arab Jews = Arab

            African Jews = African

            https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/ashkenazi-jews-106t.jpg

            “They are often distinguishable as Jewish”

            Does the Yemeni Jew look “Jewish”? Does the African? The European?

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IyAJ5NLjooo/T6fkqmJFhZI/AAAAAAAAA0A/gBVU4NVLQtE/s640/Lemba+Jews.jpg

            Is the Ashkenazi a blood relative of the Jews from Zimbabwe? Yes or no?

            Zimbabwe black Jews should do Aliyah

            It may sound like another myth of a lost tribe of Israel, but British scientists have carried out DNA tests which have confirmed their Semitic origin.

            “They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron when the Jewish priesthood started.”

            Despite their ties to Judaism, many of the Lemba in Zimbabwe are Christians, while some are Muslims.
            “So it’s the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of,” Prof Parfitt says.

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8550614.stm

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IyAJ5NLjooo/T6fkqmJFhZI/AAAAAAAAA0A/gBVU4NVLQtE/s640/Lemba+Jews.jpg

          • Helen4Yemen

            And why do Yemeni Jews look Yemeni? Because they are Yemeni.
            Why do Iranian Jews look Iranian? Because they are Iranian?
            Why do Chinese Jews look Chinese? Because they are Chinese.
            Why do European Jews look European? Because they are European.

            It is very simple logic. Religion never changes one’s racial makeup.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I DARE YOU TO SHOW ME EVEN 1 DNA REPORT OF ANY ASHKENAZI THAT HAS EVEN 1% MIDDLE EAST ANCESTRY.
            THERE ARE NONE!

            “STUDIES”?

            2005 There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
            2013 Many scientific studies are ultimately proved wrong! https://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2013/sep/17/scientific-studies-wrong
            2013 Richard Smith: Time for science to be about truth rather than careers http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2013/09/09/richard-smith-time-for-science-to-be-about-truth-rather-than-careers/
            2014 Why most published research findings are false http://www.stat.cmu.edu/~ryantibs/journalclub/ioannidis.pdf
            2016 One reason so many scientific studies may be wrong https://phys.org/news/2016-10-scientific-wrong.html

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

            You mean all these 10 DNA results were done by ” cheap and unreliable test”?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/european-jew.jpeg

            Look in the mirror and smile back to that European. Accept and embrace and cherish your own European skin that you came wrapped around with into the world. Ashkenazi = 99.9% European, 0% Middle Eastern.

            P.s. I am Middle Eastern and you are not!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Source: PBS

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why “study”? Where is the actually DNA result for any Ashkenazi?

            Got one? Let’s see?

      • Elizabeth M Martin

        Breathe everyone and learn to let go of Pride and Prejudice. The Bible is a collection of many journeys, spiritual journeys about returning to the House of God, the rebirth of spirit of man into a spirit of God. It is not a a history book as many of you have learnt. The Holy Land of Israel is a Spiritual Place to be found within the heart and mind of mankind and only through self examination this can be achieved. In the Book of Genesis (the beginning) or Bereshith (the beginning and the end), Jacob transformed into Israel when crossing over, this is a spiritual happening and happens to anyone who embarks on the journey of self-realisation and self-awareness. All names in the Bible are Verbs, in other words doing words and not nouns. Work the meaning of the Words and the World will be a much better place. In God’s Spirit we are all One Nation, all flesh and blood. Only Love breaks down all barriers built up by selfish and self-centred people. The Stone the Builders Rejected was the Heart of Man. Love is God and God is Love, so please go in Peace to Love your neighbour as yourself while trusting and Submitting to the One God of all Humanity!

      • Helen4Yemen

        I am Middle Eastern and we welcome the Ashkenazi as we welcome other groups of people. But I want to tell you that I get offended by your claim to have origins in Palestine which has led to the conquest of that land by a totally European people. I have for you here 10 samples of the Ashkenazi DNA and they look identical because the Ashkenazi are in fact one of a tightly knit community who have been breeding among one another for centuries.

        https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

      • Helen4Yemen

        I am Middle Eastern and we welcome the Ashkenazi as we welcome other groups of people. But I want to tell you that I get offended by your claim to have origins in Palestine which has led to the conquest of that land by a totally European people. I have for you here 10 samples of the Ashkenazi DNA and they look identical because the Ashkenazi are in fact one of a tightly knit community who have been breeding among one another for centuries.

        https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

    • botti

      You could make the same claim that humans and mice are 90% identical.

      The reality is that population genetics is very good at identifying ancestral groupings with a high degree of confidence.

      http://genomebiology.com/2002/3/7/comment/2007

      • Dafydd

        And we share 50% of our DNA with bananas.. It is the minor differences that tell the tale, and you are quite right – genetics must have some degree of accuracy or it wouldn’t be used to solve crimes.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Exactly!

          DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry, zero, zilch! Here are 10 samples that look almost identical because the Ashkenazi are a closely knit group that had been breeding among its own members for centuries.

          Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
          1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
          2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
          3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
          4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
          5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
          6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
          7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
          8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
          9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
          10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

          Source:
          https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

    • Nick_Lento

      Bingo! Our common humanity transcends all of this culturally conditioned framing of “identity”.

      To continue to kill each other off as if our superficial differences were so extreme is a form of delusional insanity at best and sheer toxic malignant evil at worst.

    • mark vincent

      Good point, as we are all supposed to have originated in Africa does that mean we can go there and grab other people’s land.

    • Joseph De Soto

      You are ignorant of Genetics and should stop making a public jackass out of yourself

      • KYKNOC

        Sorry 99.8% Similar – Apologies

    • David Ashton

      Less than 99.9 %. Different human populations have adapted to different environments.

    • Helen4Yemen

      “Syrians and Jewish DNA are more similar as they share a semetic background”

      Nah! It makes no sense! If Abraham-Isaac-Jacob are from UR-Iraq -1,000 miles away from Palestine, why isn’t the DNA of the supposed descendants of Abraham UR-DNA? Palestine is only the land that the folks of UR stole,is it not?

      I am a Semite and I must really tell you that I share no Semitic DNA with Europeans unless those Europeans have Arab Semitic ancestry since no Ashkenazi is Semite.

    • Helen4Yemen

      But Europeans faked their way to Arab Palestine claiming a non-existent ancestry.
      That is the problem.

  • xi557xi

    John, typo: in paragraph 9 you say Ramban Medical Center. It’s Rambam.

  • Jersey Shore, Five Towns Edition, coming up?

  • James

    Hi! Where is the follow up article on this topic? I can’t find it.

  • disqus_Xvrb9JcPCz

    You are correct in that we are all the family of Man and genealogy is a
    stupid way to judge people (Book of Timothy and Titus calls it foolish).
    Unfortunately
    there is a war being fought based on claims of bloodlines and claims to
    a land (blood of Abraham) in God’s name. The irony is that those being
    displaced may have more kinship to Abraham than those doing the
    displacement.

    • Dafydd

      You forget that 61% of Israelis do not come from European Jewry but Middle eastern Jews who definitely are likely to descend from Abraham.

      • disqus4700

        I am not sure what you are getting at, the records were destroyed in A.D. 70 as the Words of Jesus your house is made unto you desolate. Earlier in history 10 tribes were destroyed with the remaining Judah and Benjamin destroyed in A.D. 70 after the unconditional promise came that Jesus would save His people from their sins. Romans plainly states not all Israel is Israel but those of faith grafted into the Vine which is Jesus first the natural limbs (Jews) than the wild olive branch (gentiles) to the New Creation the New Man in Christ.
        Again Titus and Timothy were warned about the foolishness of geneologies, are you saying that Paul a Jew of Jews should not forget what you consider so important. I think it is better to support the work of Jesus the Messiah that tore down the walls of separation.

        • Dafydd

          What am I getting at? It is a direct answer to your comment that Palestinians have more kinship to Abraham than the Jews. Most israeli Jews are indigenous to the area, and their ancestors never left the Middle east and are therefore highly likely to descend from Abraham.
          As to the genealogies, this was not referring to discussions of tribal descent. . Paul himself refers to his tribe of Benjamin in Romans to prove his point .It may have been referring to a needless pride in ancestry. I take your point here. However, if you feel that this discussion applies to that verse are we not being disobedient, ( you included ) by entering it at all ?

          • disqus4700

            I fail to see your emphasis, I think I will go with the view that Jesus took down the wall of separation not try to keep intact. Even your admission of 40% being not of a bloodline falsifies your contention and I am saying it is not important, no argument from me.

          • Dafydd

            I draw your attention to what I actually said in my post. I did not say 40% are not of the bloodline. I said 61% of Israelis come from the Middle East anyway, and are of pure Middle Eastern stock, having been nowhere else.They are very likely to come from the line of Abraham ..European Jews also are of Middle Eastern stock but are admixed with Europeans.Their paternal lines are Israelite, and in the Bible, the bloodline always came from the father.

            And nows, in keeping with your interpretation of 1 Timothy 1:4, I would like to end this discourse as I think you will agree that it is needlessly contentious and unprofitable.

            Wishing you a Happy Easter Sunday

          • disqus4700

            Thank you with a Blessed Easter to you

          • Helen4Yemen

            ” 61% of Israelis come from the Middle East ”

            Got source for that?

            47% European Jews
            30% Spanish/Portuguese
            23% Arab Jews

            Yes or no?

          • Dafydd

            No. Check your facts – it is all in the public domain. Sephardic Jews ( by which I assume you mean Spanish , are usually from Morocco, in Israeli populations

          • mark vincent

            It isn’t in the public domain, from what I have read in the public domain is that most Israelis are of Ashkenazi origin

          • Dafydd

            Then I would question your research methods . Show me, chapter and verse , where that claim is made.

          • mark vincent

            Show me your methods, you make spurious claims therefore it is incumbent on you to support your own claims, I don’t have to prove a negative.

          • Dafydd

            You are deflecting. I repeat: name your sources. if you have them, it will be easy to do.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “European Jews also are of Middle Eastern stock but are admixed with Europeans”

            If the Ashenazi dna score is 99.9% European and 0% ME, explain to where you are getting this nonsense of Europeans being of ME ‘stock’?

          • Dafydd

            Shai Carmi Study Columbia University

            Harry Ostrer Study 2010

            Read them

          • mark vincent

            You are very selective in who you quote to support you claims, your are using highly questionable sources to support what is basically a race myth.

          • Dafydd

            That is a meaningless statement unless you can support it.

            State why these geneticists are questionable sources.

            Which reliable genetic sources do you have who refute them?

          • mark vincent

            What reliable sources do you have to support your claims?

          • Dafydd

            Deflecting again. I have quoted my sources. You rejected them. Show me yours.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Palestinians have more kinship to Abraham than the Jews”

            “Palestinian’ refers to a specific people of a specific location on earth. ‘Jew’ refers to African, Asian, European, Arab people who have nothing in common except for a common religion. Of course, the Palestinians are native whereas the Ashkenazi is 100% alien to the region. The Yemeni nor the Iraqi nor Egyptian Jews are indigenous to Palestine.

          • Dafydd

            In a word – Nonsense!

          • mark vincent

            Abraham’s family origins were in modern day Iraq not Palestine, true or false.

          • Helen4Yemen

            True.

          • Dafydd

            Bye Bye

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are you then saying Abraham did not come from Ur?

          • Dafydd

            Urrrrrrr – which one?

          • Omnis Odium

            these mother fuckers don’t even know midrashim

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Omnis Odium

            he didn’t

            he was one of the strong from a nomad camp outside of Kasdi Uruk

            all that means is they are descendant from the Antediluvian period

          • Omnis Odium

            yes, he was Avraham (a play on Avrahim), and as Avrahi means “strong” (or like girder/belt), and he was Avraham Ur Kasdim

            He was one of the strong in a camp, outside of Kasdi/Chaldean Uruk (Uruk is the capital)

            you know who didn’t exist in any way, shape, or form?
            the North Arabs, and their culture that makes up the Middle East today

            North Arabs, GUESS WHAT? They’re Jews + Himyarite Jews + Pagan South Arabs

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen
          • Dafydd

            As already explained, private commercial genetic tests are meaningless as they use very few markers. Autosomal studies using millions of markers are available on academic websites. Read the data, and try to take your obsession elsewhere – this thread was covered months ago. Byeee

          • Helen4Yemen

            But if by some magic, these DNA were to reveal that the Ashkenazi is 99% Middle Eastern, then they are good, right? (Laughing).

            Are you saying DNA gets it wrong for the Ashkenazi only but gets it right for the rest of humanity?

            Tony Kushner https://www-tc.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/files/2014/11/KushnerDNA.jpg 0.0% Middle Eastern
            Bill O’reilly http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/files/2016/01/BillOReillyadmix-1024×794.jpg 0.1% Scandanvian

          • Dafydd

            Ask the population geneticists.

          • Omnis Odium

            Kushner is a Nazi

            your posting Tacitian (of Tacitus) propaganda

            but guess what mother fucker?

            DEUTSCH does not come from TEUTO
            it comes from DIET – PEOPLE

            nice Lutheran propaganda though
            lol you get that off Stormfront?

          • Notorious

            Helen, your stupidity is actually impressive. 23andme results show where ancestors lived 500 YEARS AGO. Seriously, get a life you pathetic, hateful, racist little troll.

          • Helen4Yemen

            So the DNA test of an black American will show where he lived
            500 years ago and not Africa?

          • Notorious

            Most African Americans’ ancestors were still in Africa 500 years ago… The vast majority would not have arrived until the 18th and 19th centuries.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

            I can imagine a father telling the court that the DNA result that determined that he was the father at an accuracy rate of 99.999999999% is faulty because “private commercial genetic tests are meaningless as they use very few markers.” And what are the chances that the judge would buy such a stupid excuse?

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

          • Omnis Odium

            show me some Ashkenazim who share a majority of genetic markers in common with us Frenkisk-Alemanni speakers in Upper Rhine (and the Jews were there BEFORE us)

            you’ll quickly realize we have, on average 1% of genetic markers in common

            and we fucking ERADICATED EVERYONE IN LATINDOM, GAUL, GERMANIA, BALTIC, AND THE POLABO-WENDISH-PRUSSEN AREAS

          • Helen4Yemen

            I have a deal for you: show me the DNA of any Ashkenazi that has even 1% Middle East ancestry from any private DNA firm, and I will accept it. There is one problem, however. Looking for an Ashkenazi with a score of even 1% Middle Eastern is like looking for chicken with teeth. They do not exist. The Ashkenazi simply has no trace of ME ancestry – zilch – zero!
            Or else prove me wrong and post one that does!

          • Omnis Odium

            THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MIDDLE EASTERN DNA, ARE YOU STUPID? OR JUST A BIGOT? AND EVEN IF THE ASHKENAZIM WERE TOTALLY INSULAR FROM THE TIME OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE MOUNT ONWARDS, GUESS WHAT?

            HAVING GENETIC MARKERS IN COMMON WITH MAKEDONIAN ELINES, MEANS NOTHING. IF ANYTHING, IT ATTESTS TO THEIR INSULARITY, AS THEY WENT TO ROME IMMEDIATELY AFTER LEAVING THE LEVANT

          • Omnis Odium

            Alan Dershowitz is a Nazi, even if he is a Jew, and there is no such thing as European ancestry

            there are only genetic markers specific to certain areas

            you’re pulling propaganda out of your ass because you WANT to hate Jews

            fucking graeco-fascist

          • David Ashton

            Dershowitz a “Nazi”!!! Look up his contributions to e.g. the Gatestone Institute online.

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Ashkenazi bottle necked in Europe so they are taking a fallacious and undue liberty to describe Ahskenazi dna as European when up to 97% of Ahskenazi Jewish males . You assert to be astute in genetics; yet you are not aware Jews are the primary case study. Although gathered from over 100 nations genetic Jews excluding (Ethiopians & Sabbotnics & other converted groups) are able to find commonality due to their forced ghettoizaation & in breeding; their DNA is most consistent. The Lemba Tribe of S.A. had a history of Jewish origins by their subgrouping of priest called Bubus they proved their commonality w/ other Jews through the Jewish priestly Y chromosome.

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Randy Settenbrino

            The portion varies according to the family. The lowest percentage being a Jewish women may be 40% semitic. As I said Jewish men have taken non Jewish women since the era of Babylon. In fact King David descends from Ruth a red headed Moabite convert. however, the male dna trump’s all because the men are up to 97% ME which is significant. Where as the Fakastinians are the most bastardized people on the face of the earth. Coming from dozens of Asian, African and European countries to parasite the Jewish revitalization of a barren , typhoid, malaria ridden desert.

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Notorious

            Yes, post pictures of the most European-looking Ashkenazim (probably a Soviet Jew who had recent Russian ancestry anyway) while ignoring the countless Ashkenazim who look like any pre-Islamic Levantine peoples.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why do Ashkenazi look Levantine peoples?
            Should they not be looking like the Shia Muslims
            of Southern Iraq where Ur of Chaldees is located?
            Abraham-Isaac-Jacob did not marry local people but
            only Ur people, right?

          • Notorious

            A lot of Ashkenazi Jews look very Levantine. And Mandeans and Samaritans are great examples of pre-Islamic Mesopotamian and Levantine peoples (respectively).
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7229dafca23bcf0f9faee5d3eff35c6926ec623882e6a76991a787447f77be76.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e0182741f3173954bb3a7224f657b78c0f24c60c842d8f7547bd86f936a27a4.jpg

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Google images of the Kurds a people who originate from the area Abraham came from…. Northern Iraq and you will notice a remarkable resemblance to Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Show me …?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/ur-people.png

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/ur2.png?ssl=1&w=450

            You moved Ur of Chaldees from Southern Iraq to Northern?
            You want to get closer to Palestine? Funny. The Shia people
            of Southern Iraq are the genetic cousins of Abraham but no
            Ashkenazi is.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/kurdish1.png

            The Kurd and Saddam Hussein almost look like twins. Why would European Jewry resemble the people of the Middle East instead of the Germans, the Russians, the Lithuanians?
            (Press on the picture to enlarge it)

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Kurd

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Notorious

            Helen, how dumb are you? You repeatedly cite 23andMe results without knowing anything about what they actually report. Yes, Ashkenazi Jews lived in Europe 500 years ago. This is news to NOBODY.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/3×3-african-arab-european-jew.png

            95% of world Jewry is European Ashkenazi like the guy in the middle.

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Over 60% of Israel are Sfardic and Mirachi Jews whose ancestors left their perspective ME countries with their shirts on their back and unlike the Fakestinian interloper they were not farm hands for absentee Muslim landholders, but, instead lived in those countries for a multitude of centuries and left behind houses and buisnesses.

            Now regarding the Ashkenazi they not only have the male Ydna at 97% they have Mtdna with substantial ME contributions of 40% or more.
            Furthermore, Jews fleeing Spain freely mixed with the Ashkenazim so much that most Ashkenazim have a Sfardic ancestor in their line.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You only get 18.07% for Arab countries and 22.25% if you add the Jews from Iran, Turkey, India, Pakistan. This is the population figures for 2015 by country of origin. So how did 18% jump to 60%?

            Morocco…………………………….484,500 …….. 7.72%
            Algeria and Tunisia……………..133,500 …….. 2.13%
            Libya…………………………………..66,800 …….. 1.06%
            Egypt………………………………….54,600 …….. 0.87%
            Iraq…………………………………..225,800 …….. 3.60%
            Yemen………………………………134,100 …….. 2.14%
            Syria and Lebanon……………….34,500 ……. 0.55%
            Iran…………………………………..140,100 …….. 2.23%
            Turkey………………………………..74,600 …….. 1.19%
            India and Pakistan……………….47,600 …….. 0.76%

            http://cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_08x&CYear=2016

          • Randy Settenbrino

            These numbers are antiquated. Jews do not practice zero population control.

          • Helen4Yemen

            2016 is antiquated? The source of the link is the Zionist entity, is it not? Please go away, not interested …

            http://cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_08x&CYear=2016

          • Randy Settenbrino

            These populations of ME Jews mostly arrived between 1948 to 1950s. Thereafter, many new families have been born made up of all the above admixtures as well Ashkenazim and Ethiopian.
            Obviously you have never been to Israel or you would know the Sfardi and Mizrahi are the well absorbed majority.

          • Randy Settenbrino

            First of all, as the bible predicated Jews have been gathered from all over the world; over a hundred nations and here are just some of ones you left out that Sfardic and Mizrahi Jews emigrated from… Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Armenian Jews, Kurdistani Jews, Georgian, Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, Tajikistan, Macidonia, etc
            Additionally, many people give up these foreign identities and simply identify as sabra/other.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Did the French that were born and raised in Algeria
            identify as “sabra”?

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Sabra, is an Israeli cactus type fruit tough on the ourside yet, sweet on the indide it is a symbol used to specifically indentify Jews born in Isael, regardless of diaspora parents, grandparents etc.

          • Helen4Yemen

            At 0% Middle East ancestry, there is no ‘diaspora’.

            https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048 replace * with .

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ashkenazi-dna-96-3.png

            What are the chances that you can show me one DNA report that shows the Ashkenazi having even 1% Middle East ancestry? You can’t.
            All Ashkenazi have DNA = 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern – or else prove me wrong and post one!

          • Randy Settenbrino

            See Bennett Greenspan’s Ftdna.com. Bennett clearly demonstrates all Jews stem from the ME.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/alan-dershowitz-dna-98-5-ashkenazi1.png

            Do you see the green circle?Alan Dershowitz is 98.5% Ashkenazi and 99.9% European. Not a trace of Middle East ancestry – zilch!

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Joseph De Soto

            Most Jews not the Jews who are Sephardi who lived an intermarried with the neighboring Muslim for hundreds of years. They look identical to Arabs.They were also persecuted by the European fake Jews

          • Omnis Odium

            you don’t know what your’e saying

            Sephardim married with Visi and Suevi more than anyone else. Ever hear of a converso, Senor De Soto? But they have different ideals about succession, so it doesn’t matter.

            the Mizrahim did just what you are saying, but again, patrilineal ideals about succession.

            The Ashkenazim were the MOST insular,this article misstates it’s title. They have ONE common female Italian ancestor.

            the only fake Jews are the Germans who tried to marry Tacitus and the Bible, and use Teito and Deutsch to prove they were descendants of Gomer

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Most Jews do know Sfardim because they are 60% of the Israeli population. Furthermore, most Askenazim have Sfardi genes because they have married or descend from Sfardi families.

          • Omnis Odium

            Palestine refers to an Arabic speaking nationality

            you think the LEVANT was ever ethnically homogenous? ahahahahahahahahaha

          • mark vincent

            According to the Bible the Jews were interlopers in the Palestine region, nomadic tribes who displaced the indigenous Canaanite population.
            Abraham was of Iraqi origin.

          • Dafydd

            True – Northern Iraq, and most Jewish y chromosomes, including Ashkenazi Jews, show a similar origin

          • mark vincent

            So does this mean the Jews are of Iraqi origin?

          • Dafydd

            On the y chromosome level, yes.

          • mark vincent

            Is it true that 20% of Spaniards are of Sephardic ancestry if so does that make them Jewish?

          • Dafydd

            No – who said it does ?

          • mark vincent

            Do some proper research,do you believe in what has been called the Jewish Gene.

          • Dafydd

            Population genetics does not deal with single genes. It deals with millions of genes. If YOU had done some proper research, you would know this.

          • Dafydd

            They were not originally from Palestine according to the BIble. According to the Bible, God gave them the land of israel , and told them to drive out the original Canaanites.

          • mark vincent

            Most Israelis are not indigenous to the region, at the time of the Balfour declaration Jews were 9% of the population around 70000 people in total , there are around 5 or 6 million Jews in Palestine are you suggesting that most of these modern Jews are the descendants of the original Palestinian Jews.

          • Dafydd

            Original Palestinian Jews? There were only original IJudean/Israelite Jews Read your history

          • mark vincent

            These Jews have been Palestinian longer than they were Judean,

          • Dafydd

            Palestine only came about as a name in 132 AD after the 2nd Jewish Revolt against the Romans The area was so named in various forms by surrounding nations before this time , but it never existed as a nation state and was never referred to in this way by it’s inhabitants, with the exception of Philistia which covers present day Gaza and North Eastern Egypt.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Judean/Israelite = strangers or immigrants to Palestine from Ur of Chaldea (Iraq), no?

            Here, I have 3 links for you:

            a) Ashkenazi score 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern.

            b) Arabs score 90% Middle Eastern DNA.

            c) Southern Europeans have high levels of Middle Eastern ancestry vs. the Ashkenazi at 0%.

            All Ashkenazi score a minimum of 99% European ancestry. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/ashkenazi_dna/

            Midddle East People Score high in ME DNA https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/middle_east_north_africa_dna_39/

            Southern European have large levels of ME ancestry vs. ZERO for the Ashkenazi https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

          • Helen4Yemen

            But “Judean” is land that the bandits of UR-IRAQ invaded and stole, is it not? You seem to want to forget that Abraham-Isaac-Jacob are not from Palestine but from UR-Iraq!

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            Palestine population

            Year – Muslim — Christian – Jews
            1851 – 300,000 – 27,000 – 13,000
            1861 – 325,000 – 31,000 – 13,000
            1878 – 386,320 – 40,588 – 13,942
            1879 – 390,597 – 41,331 – 14,197
            1880 – 394,935 – 41,089 – 14,460
            1881 – 399,334 – 42,864 – 14,731
            1882 – 403,795 – 43,659 – 15,011 Ashkenazi arrived
            1883 – 408,318 – 44,471 – 15,300
            1884 – 412,906 – 45,302 – 15,599
            1885 – 417,560 – 46,152 – 15,908
            1922 – 598,177 – 71,464 – 83,790 British Mandate began
            1924 – 627,660 – 74,094 – 94,945
            1926 – 663,613 – 76,764 – 149,500
            1928 – 695,280 – 79,812 – 151,656
            1930 – 733,149 – 84,986 – 164,796
            1932 – 771,174 – 90,624 – 180,793
            1934 – 807,180 – 99,532 – 253,700
            1935 – 826,457 – 103,371 – 320,358
            1936 – 848,342 – 106,474 – 370,483
            1937 – 875,947 – 109,764 – 386,074

          • Helen4Yemen

            ………………………..
            Now in Palestine:

            47% European Ashkenazi
            30% Spanish-Portuguese
            23% Arab Jews
            Total Jews from Europe = 77%
            Source: Nature dot com

          • Dafydd

            I think you’ve done that one before

          • Helen4Yemen

            Abraham’s ancestral land is Ur, in Iraq, is it not?

          • Dafydd

            Byeee

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Dafydd

            Lovely – Byeee

          • Helen4Yemen

            Lovely? Do you see the map of the Middle East? It is totally left blank for this Ashkenazi because DNA analysis found no trace of Middle East ancestry – zero! But you can see Africa highlighted because they found a tiny <0.1% ancestry and Asia too is highlighted as they were able to trace ancestry at 0.1%. But the Ashkenazi DNA always has 0% ME ancestry – alwasys. NOTHING! Now tell me how the Ashkenazi is connected to Palestine at ZERO % ancestry?

          • Dafydd

            As I said – it looks lovely

          • Helen4Yemen

            Did Abraham’s children not marry nieces and cousins and if DNA was to be performed on them today can only trace to Ur of Chaldea at 100% and at 0% to Palestine? They were aliens to Palestine, were they not? When they wanted to marry, they went back to Ur looking for a bride, did they not? Meaning that they were 100% solid Chaldeans.

            YES OR NO?

          • Dafydd

            Mmmmmm — Bye bye

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do you deny that Abraham and his descendants were in the habit of f-ing their own nieces and cousins (marrying)?

          • Dafydd

            Muslims certainly are!

          • Dafydd

            Sounds a bit like Muslims to me

          • Helen4Yemen

            http://i58.tinypic.com/9uqjnq.jpg
            Southern Europeans carry high levels of ME ancestry but they do not claim ancestral ties to the ME. The Ashkenazi at ZERO % ties to the ME does. Weird? Here is a typical Southern European DNA report.

            (I have more than 250 of these Southern European DNA reports saved if you need to see more … just ask).

          • Dafydd

            Kind of you to offer- but I admire your tenacity!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Forget about my tenacity but answer the question I posed that millions of Southern Europeans have very high levels of Middle East ancestry – and yet they do not claim to be Middle Eastern but the Ashkenazi at confirmed ZERO % ME DNA does! Is that delusion or insanity or both?

          • Dafydd

            I don’t know, but i suspect you are an expert in the latter.

          • Dafydd

            All Europeans have ME ancestry – geneticists can trace whether its from earlier Neolithic migrations or more recent ones, as in the case of the Jews. But that is the last serious answer i am going to give you.

          • Dafydd

            Byeeee

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are you embarrassed that the “Israelite” were nothing more than invading savages from Ur, Iraq?

          • Dafydd

            Hugely.

          • Omnis Odium

            Avraham was a singular noun of Avrahi

            One of the strong

            Avraham Ur Kasdim

            one of the strong, of a camp, of chaldees (before the flood/antediluvian)

            when you use shitty DNA testing from Kapo cucks like Kushner, and don’t even realize the creativity that goes in the name Avraham

            shows you don’t know shit

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry, zero, zilch! Here are 10 samples that look almost identical because the Ashkenazi are a closely knit group that had been breeding among its own members for centuries.

            Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
            1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
            2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
            3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
            4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
            5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
            6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
            7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
            8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
            9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
            10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

            Source:
            https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are the Yemeni Jews descended from Abraham of Ur, Chaldea (Iraq)?

          • Dafydd

            OCD?

          • Helen4Yemen

            All the “Chosen” seem to be embarrassed by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob ancestry from Ur, Iraq. Why is that? They are also embarrassed by their European ancestry? Weird.

          • Dafydd

            Shocking!

          • Omnis Odium

            lolllllllllllllllllllllll yeah man
            because people who are exiled
            TOTALLY LOVE TELLING EVERYONE about it

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Dafydd

            Perhaps you should ask them?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/compare1071.png?w=768

            Look at the genetic cousins of the Ashkenazi … laughing …

          • Dafydd

            Mmm – are they yours?

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Omnis Odium

            life is liquid to it’s environment, learn to darwin nazi fuck

          • Helen4Yemen

            I am a Semite, indigenous to the ME and no Ashkenazi is

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

            Italians have large levels of ME DNA and the Ashkenazi 0%

          • David Ashton

            Such a literate and scientific observation.

          • Omnis Odium

            LOL you have no idea what you’re talking about

            physical appearance due to environmetn can change in like 100 years, even while being insular

            this ain’t hte fucking tower of babel retard

          • Monika Moniczka

            Helen4Yemen you are an idiot who knows nothing about genetics. Stop watching TV and read some studies. Ashkenazi Jews had lived in Europe for hundreds/thousands of years. That’s why these genealogy shows label Ashkenazim as Europeans. However,a substantial part of Ashkenazi DNA originated outside of Europe – in the Middle East, to be exact. It’s a scientific fact, 80% of Y DNA of Ashkenazim is Middle Eastern in origin. Your stupid TV show portrays Ashkenazim as originating from and indigenous to Poland, Germany etc. when in reality they are anything but. The Jews lived in Russia/Poland/Germany but are genetically distinctive from the ethnic Poles/Russians/Germans. That’s because THEY DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES – JUST SETTLED THERE at some point. Do you understand now? Then stick those maps where the sun does not shine and, if you still want to discuss genetics, CITE STUDIES not TV shows.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            His DNA says 99.9% European, does it not?

          • Monika Moniczka

            It says 99.6 Ashkenazi. Can you not read? The Ashkenazim used to live in Europe but originated largely from the Middle East.Citing autosomal DNA studies, Nicholas Wade estimates that “Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from the Middle East.” He further noticed that “The two communities seem very similar to each other genetically, which is unexpected because they have been separated for so long.”

          • David Ashton

            The Sephardim and Ashkenazim have not been totally separate genetically.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Can you please explain? And who are the Sephardim?
            Sometimes it refers to Spanish/Portuguese and sometimes the Arab Jews whom they call “Mizrahi” are lumped together. And what do you mean by “have not been totally separate genetically.”?

          • 1abcde

            99.6% is overwhelming. Being a Jew is a religious identity, not an ethnicity, nationality or race.

            There have been many studies that have recently come to the forefront showing the Jews of Europe have nothing to link them to the Levant.

            They are more closely related to the prehistoric indigenous peoples of Europe.

            If a family came from Italy going back generations, but 500 years ago originated in Spain does that make that family Spanish? No, they are Italian.

            Yet, you think finding some link/connection from over 2,000 years ago makes someone Jewish. Please.

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Monika Moniczka

            In 2000, M. Hammer, et al. conducted a study on 1371 men and definitively established that part of the paternal gene pool of Jewish communities in Europe, North Africa and Middle East came from a common Middle East ancestral population. They suggested that most Jewish communities in the Diaspora remained relatively isolated and endogamous compared to non-Jewish neighbor populations.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/neil-gaiman-dna.png

            Why are you racist folks not mentioning the BLACK JEWS?
            If the lily-white Ashkensazi can claim he came from Palestine, why can’t the black Jews also claim the same and they in fact do?

            And why is it there is no trace of ME in any Ashkenazi DNA, not even 1% whereas Southern European do have large levels of ME ancestry as high as 20% vs.0% for the Ashkenazi?

          • Helen4Yemen

            ” paternal gene pool ”

            And where did the maternal come from? Why? Did Israelite just abandon the Jewish women and came alone?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/ur7.png?ssl=1&w=450

            Abraham-Isaac-Jacob never mixed their blood with the Canaanites, right? Therefore, the DNA of the Israelite can only be from UR Iraq and not Palestine, which is 1,000 miles away, right?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/jewish-kids-2.jpg

            Chances of these kids having Middle Eastern roots is slim to none!

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3-jews-3001.png

            African Jews = African
            Arab Jews = Arab
            European Jews = Europe

            It is actually very straightforward.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/haran.pngBut Abraham is from far-far-far away in Ur, Iraq. No?

          • Dafydd

            Urrrrr———–Byeee

          • Helen4Yemen

            Left you speechless, huh?

          • Dafydd

            Totally bereft of words

            in the face of such eloquence!

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/ashkenazi-dna-97-5.png

            It does not get more eloquent that a stunning 99.9% pure-solid European ancestry, does it?

          • Dafydd

            A fabulous sense of science!

          • Dafydd

            Fabulously stunning – the lovely red bit of Africa is especially pretty

          • Omnis Odium

            Tony Kushner is a kapo

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Bennet Greenspan The Y-chromosome studies demonstrably prove otherwise — a majority of Ashkenazi male lineages are from the Middle East. As the various publicly known DNA test providers have assembled Jewish DNA databases — not just FamilyTreeDNA but my colleagues at 23andMe and Ancestry as well — we have found unmistakable evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are closely related to one another, meaning that from a genetic standpoint, all Jews are indeed part of one genetically united people with ample Middle Eastern and Mediterranean forebears.

          • Randy Settenbrino

            You really have to stop reading the Koran, after all it is only a war manual with 32,500 dictates to kill maim murder the infidel. Try a Great Read and get the Bible and there you will see G-d directs Abraham to the holy land and promises him 2,500 yrs before Islam that it is specifically for him and Issac which will be called his seed.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Benjamin, Aaron and the rest are the product of niece-marrying incestuous groups from Ur, Iraq. Yes or no?

          • Dafydd

            Let’s double your fun with a YES-NO

          • Omnis Odium

            No, they were not incestuous or insular until after the Hebraic-Hellene civil war

            So mixing with Makedonians in Ptolemaike Aegyptus means nothing

          • Omnis Odium

            wow dafydd
            someone who realizes that indigenous pertains to a specific locality

            just that alone demonstrate, at least in my opinion, that you actually know what you’re talking about

            tbh though a lot of the indigenous Jews in the area are religiously opposed to a man-made state called Israel

            but thats probably more upsetting to Christian Protestants than anyone hah

        • no name

          “Earlier in history 10 tribes were destroyed ” Those 10 tribes were not destroyed. This information you are proposing comes from a book written by the Catholic church called, “Prester John”, in order to discredit, Eldad Hadani who stated that there were 10 tribes that settled through the sahel in West Africa, because it would have destroyed their made up version of Christianity. What you’re using is replacement theology instituted by European Christianity, the root of all antisemitism and racism plaguing us today.

          • Joseph De Soto

            You are correct. Archaeology shows that 90% of the population of Northern Israel migrated into Judah following the Assyrian invasion. The lost ten tribes is indeed a myth

          • no name

            Then explain the Lemba tribe and the Cohanim, as well as some of their ancient practices that could not be learned from the old testament but from the priests?

          • Helen4Yemen
        • Joseph De Soto

          The lost ten tribes is a Myth it never occurred. 90% of Israel went into Judah when the Assyrians caused the collapse of the Northern Kingdom.

        • Omnis Odium

          your mangod didn’t walk the earth
          the words of IHS are nothing but mystic readings of Septuaginta Isaiah by ALEXANDRIAN JEWS AND HELLENE CONVERTS

          you are no son of Gomer, Teuto

      • Jenny

        The Jewish Encyclopedia says that Jews are descended from Esau and are, therefore, Edomites. Yes, Jews are descended from Abraham, however, they are NOT the recipients of the covenant of the promised land. Esau was hated by God because he sold his birthright for a bowl of beans. Jacob, his twin brother, was renamed by God, Israel, and it was his descendants that inherited the covenant and the promise of the land.

        • Dafydd

          The Jewish Encyclopedia does not say this – and neither does the Bible. However, since you have made this assertion, please quote your source from the Jewish Encyclopedia, chapter and verse, including the page number

      • Helen4Yemen

        Not true!
        Now in Palestine:

        47% European
        30% Spanish-Portuguese
        23% Arab Jews

        Yes or no?

        • Dafydd

          You’ve repeated yourself. See answer above

      • mark vincent

        Most Israeli Jews are of Ashkenazi descent as have all Israeli prime minister’s, the rest are from other countries in the middle East.

        • Dafydd

          Nonsense.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Now in Palestine:

        47% European Ashkenazi
        30% Spanish-Portuguese
        23% Arab Jews
        Total Jews from Europe = 77%
        Source: Nature dot com

        • Dafydd

          We have been through this before. Bye bye

          • Helen4Yemen

            Is one European and the other is not – or are they both equally European at 99.9% level European?

            Dershowitz DNA
            Ashkenazi 98.5%
            Southern European 0.4%
            Balkan 1.0%
            Broadly European 0.9%
            East Asian 0.1%
            European 99.9%
            0.0% Middle Eastern
            …………………………..
            Bill Oreilly DNA
            British-Irish 87.8%
            Scandinavian 1.7%
            Iberian 0.9%
            Finnish 0.2%
            Broadly European 9.2%
            Unmatched 0.2%
            European 99.9%
            0.0% Middle Eastern
            ……………….
            Why does Dershowitz at 99.9% European has “the right of return” and not Bill O’reilly also at 99.9% European? What is the difference. O’reilly traces his ancestry to Ireland and the Ashenazi to Poland, Lithuania, Austria, Hungary. What is the difference?

      • Helen4Yemen

        Descend from Abraham = descend from Ur of Chaldea.

        Yes or no?

        But does the Ashkenazi with a confirmed DNA at 99.9% European ancestry also descend from Abraham?

      • Helen4Yemen

        Now in Palestine:

        47% European Ashkenazi
        30% Spanish-Portuguese
        23% Arab Jews
        Total Jews from Europe = 77%
        Source: Nature dot com

      • Omnis Odium

        Dafydd this article, though old, misrepresents the results of the research

        the real result was there was ONE Italian female who was a common ancestor to all Ashkenazim

        I’m not even Jewish, I’m an atheist, but science is science, and these Teutonic claims of Aryanhood are sickening.

        • Dafydd

          hi Omnis

          Are you referring to the Martin Richards study?

      • Helen4Yemen

        “Among the Jews of Israel,
        47% are of Ashkenazi,
        30% of Sephardic and
        23% of Oriental origin.”

        http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v2/n11/full/

      • Helen4Yemen

        NOT TRUE

        “Among the Jews of Israel,
        47% are of Ashkenazi,
        30% of Sephardic and
        23% of Oriental origin.”

        http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v2/n11/full/

        https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/47.png

        • Dafydd

          Obsessing again? We have been though this before. Sephardic Jews in Israel are predominantly North African in origin as a result of a back migration from Spain, and are Arabic and French.. speaking. They are grouped , because of this, with the Misrachi Jews of Iraq , Syria, Yemen, etc who are also from Muslim countries. Genetically however, they are closer to the Ashkenazi. As Bedtime. Bye bye.

      • Charles N
      • Charles N
        • Helen4Yemen

          What “Sephardi Jews”? The Jews of Spain and Portugal are no more Sephardi but are now a mixture of many other people since they left Spain 600 years ago.

          • Charles N

            Tell that to the ladino speakers.

            You’re a piece of work!

            #ContinuousJewishHeritage

            #I Love And Support Islamic Supremacism And Rejectionism
            #A Special Hi During The Bloody Month Of Ramadaan – Terrorism Deathtoll Spike
            #WhereAreTheJewsOfYemenHelen

          • Helen4Yemen

            The problem is with these Yiddish words that are not specific:

            Sephardi
            Mizrahi
            Oriental
            Eastern

            Sephardi could refer to the Jews of Spain and Portugal of 600 years ago that do not exist. All the Jews in Spain – Portugal today are all European. There is no genetic group called “Sephardi”, there is Iberian but is that Sephardi? The Zionist state compiles demographic data every year and there are Yemeni, Iranian, but no Spanish or Portuguese Jews listed because they do not exist anymore.

          • Charles N

            Triggered?

            #AmYisraelChai
            #ItIsWritten

          • Randy Settenbrino

            Tell that to the Spaniards who want to repatriate them.

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            “The Nazis destroyed most of the communities in Europe where Ladino had been the first language among Jews. Ladino speakers who survived the Holocaust and emigrated to Latin America tended to pick up regular Spanish very quickly, whilst others adopted the language of whichever country they ended up in. Israel is now the country with the greatest number of Ladino speakers, with about 200,000 people who still speak or understand the language, but even they only know a very limited and basic Ladino.

            It is important to note that Ladino is not modern Spanish, and also to note that just because someone speaks modern Spanish, this fact alone does not make them Sephardic.”

            http://www.sephardicstudies.org/quickladino.html

        • Helen4Yemen

          https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/ur2.png?w=450

          Palestinians and Druze are a thousand miles away from Ur of Chaldees, the homeland of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob. The Shia Mulims of Southern Iraq are the closest relatives of Abraham and not the Druze or Palestinians.

      • Charles N

        Also, the issue is not descent from Abraham but rather from Jacob, because of the claims surrounding Ishmael, and the rebellion of Esau.

        Plus the Jewish Bible could be said to be pretty clear that the primary reason for the so-called Palestinians’ hardship, is the long perpetual hatred for those who are called by YHWHs name. Israel.

        And this is literally what has undermined their position.

        Amazingly, no nation has retained their identity so long. Their separation in the diaspora lands is easily noted by history, since before the time of Jesus.

      • Charles N

        Also, the issue is not descent from Abraham but rather from Jacob, because of the claims surrounding Ishmael, and the rebellion of Esau.

        Plus the Jewish Bible could be said to be pretty clear that the primary reason for the so-called Palestinians’ hardship, is the long perpetual hatred for those who are called by YHWHs name. Israel.

        And this is literally what has undermined their position.

        Amazingly, no nation has retained their identity so long. Their separation in the diaspora lands is easily noted by history, since before the time of Jesus. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3b941263f6a983507a762053d050763a7686e35b8fe75fcfdcc97f4d67efa7ed.png

        • Dafydd

          Quite true – it is a very powerful,argument and , as you say, backed up by history. I like the Frederick the great reference too. In fact, Israeli soldiers experience miracles of biblical proportion very often, to this day!

        • Randy Settenbrino

          Kannt said he believed in G-d because of the cosmos and the continued existence of the Jewish people.

          • Charles N

            Yes, it will prob prove to be the best physical demonstration of a Creator. The peak of innovation and contribution, the canary in the coalmine and the barometer of societal evil, the happiness of redemption and merciful salvation; all brought to such a succinct monstrance in the single jewish state. And according, in detail, to so many hundreds of previously laid-out assurances. Giving us thereby a certain sense of His divine characteristics.

          • Helen4Yemen
        • Helen4Yemen
      • Helen4Yemen

        You only get 18.07% for Arab countries and 22.25% if you add the Jews from Iran, Turkey, India, Pakistan. This is the population figures for 2015 by country of origin. So how did 22% jump to 50%?
        Morocco…………………………….484,500 …….. 7.72%
        Algeria and Tunisia……………..133,500 …….. 2.13%
        Libya…………………………………..66,800 …….. 1.06%
        Egypt………………………………….54,600 …….. 0.87%
        Iraq…………………………………..225,800 …….. 3.60%
        Yemen………………………………134,100 …….. 2.14%
        Syria and Lebanon……………….34,500 ……. 0.55%
        Iran…………………………………..140,100 …….. 2.23%
        Turkey………………………………..74,600 …….. 1.19%
        India and Pakistan……………….47,600 …….. 0.76%
        http://cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html

      • Helen4Yemen

        You mean unlike the Ashkenazi?

      • Helen4Yemen

        You only get 18.07% for Arab countries and 22.25% if you add the Jews from Iran, Turkey, India, Pakistan. This is the population figures for 2015 by country of origin. So how did 22% jump to 50%?

        Morocco…………………………….484,500 …….. 7.72%
        Algeria and Tunisia……………..133,500 …….. 2.13%
        Libya…………………………………..66,800 …….. 1.06%
        Egypt………………………………….54,600 …….. 0.87%
        Iraq…………………………………..225,800 …….. 3.60%
        Yemen………………………………134,100 …….. 2.14%
        Syria and Lebanon……………….34,500 ……. 0.55%
        Iran…………………………………..140,100 …….. 2.23%
        Turkey………………………………..74,600 …….. 1.19%
        India and Pakistan……………….47,600 …….. 0.76%

        http://cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_08x&CYear=2016

    • Omnis Odium

      fucking fascist
      we are not all of one man
      we do not fucking degenerate over time.
      nice deflection with titus and timothy, but we all know what you mean. go read some more fucking tacitus you teuto-moron and marry it with the tower of babel you fucking clown.

      you can join the Syrian Legate, the Legio duodecima Fulminata, and the fake descendants of Ashknaz “the Aryans”/Nazis, in the fucking M-L-K of Gehenna my dude

      • disqus4700

        Huh? LOL

    • Judy Hantman

      The genetic similarities between European Jews and Muslims from Jordan Lebanon and Syria is due to the fact that Jews were forced to convert to Islam. It isn’t the kinship to Abraham that is important – It’s the kinship to Isaac. No-one is being – or has been ‘displaced.’ After the massacres of Jews Arabs fled fearing retribution, Those who remained or returned were left in peace (Those who were willing to live in peace that is.)

      • disqus4700

        The Bible plainly states not all Israel is of Israel. Recently I received a phone call from a Jew residing in the state of Israel that had received Jesus as his Messiah and he led an IDF officer to Jesus and was forced to flee with a death threat upon his life. He told me the true Jewish believers in Christ were persecuted in Israel and could not find work etc. He was seeing if I could provide employment for those in the state of Israel under persecution.
        The Lord Jesus in Revelations stated ” I know those that say they are Jews but do lie”. In the Kingdom of Heaven, genealogy is no determiner now if you are a child of Abraham but only the circumcised heart and the Spirit of Christ residing in that heart. Anything else is politics and as Paul says myths and fables.

        • Judy Hantman

          Well, if you had ever read an original copy of the “Bible” I would take you seriously. Your version was compiled by the pagan Jew hater, Constantine. You do know that you will suffer eternal damnation for trying to steal Jewish souls, don’t you?

          • disqus4700

            How silly you are, my savior is a Hebrew from the tribe of Judah and I am grafted into Him by the faith He gave me to become a child of Abraham.

      • Helen4Yemen

        https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/ur-44.jpg

        But Abraham-Isaac-Jacob were not from the Levant but from Ur, 1,000 miles away? I would think you need to compare them with the Shia Muslims of Southern Iraq

  • Lucy

    No I don’t think so. The Italians and Jews are related MUCH further back in time. I think they all started out in Sumer. My dad’s Y dna started out in Iraq, he’s Italian, went to Island of Crete. Remember the Abraham story he started out there too.

    • Jonah Lissner

      There were also huge numbers of Jewish people in Italy and the entire Mediterranean basin during the Roman era, so you may have Jewish ancestry from that time.

  • Hening

    A hypothesis based on a study this old is useless.

  • Jonah Lissner

    In agreement with Dr. Entine.

    It is unlikely that Ashkenazim, named for the Kurdo-Parthian Empire “Ashkuza” after the defeat of the Persian Empire by the Parthians, [Lissner, ibid] had cultural similarities to Southern Sephardim and Mitzrahim, although there have been citations for Ashkenaz in-migration to pre-Inquisition Spain and Italy, and out-migration of Sephardim and Mitzrahim to Jewish region of Europe:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Aftermath:_impact.2C_decline_and_dispersion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_Correspondence

    http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Sephardim

    Since 2006, and certainly before [Nebel, et. al., 2001] c. 2009 in the paper, “Genomic microsatellites identify shared Jewish ancestry intermediate between Middle Eastern and European populations”,

    Nebel, Filon, et. al. “The Y Chromosome of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East”. http://bioanthropology.huji.ac.il/pdf/Nebel_2001b.pdf

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/10/80

    the gradations of genetic similarity between all contemporary Jews, and their contemporary Near Eastern neighbors, including Levantine Arabs, Kurds and Adyghe, are measured still closer to one another than to their neighboring populations, including Italkim, Ashkenazim and Mizrahim. The genetic distance from classical era Jews and their Near Eastern neighbors was not measured. All Kurds and Jews also have a very high genetic correspondence, cit. Lavendar, [Nebel, et. al.]:

    http://cryptojews.com/comparing-dna-patterns-of-sephardi-ashkenazi-kurdish-jews

    The Moorish invasions of the Near East and Southern Europe likely altered the face of the inhabitants, including possible intermarriage with Berbers or Arabs. Furthermore the lineage of Sephardim may include Berbers or Carthaginians, in low infiltrations due to the length of duration of their colonies in Iberian regions. However, Italkim have been demonstrated to have the highest genetic correspondence to Ashkenazim c. 2010, “Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity”:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?_r=0

    Moreover, common to all modern Jewish populations are the c. 5%++ North, West, Central and East African genetic contributions to Hebrew, Israelite and Jewish populations, especially until c. 100 CE and the global Exile from Israel:

    Moorjani, et. al. “The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews”. http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1001373

    Therefore it is certain that very few Russian migrants from before the Communist Era have very much more mixed ancestry, than Italkim. Some contemporary Russian migrants, let alone Italian or Sephardic migrants from Latin America with mixed Latino-Jewish ancestry, are studied before Aliyah and their mixed lineage is noted as parentage having converts or Gerim, making it unlikely that even small groups of total, pre-1920 Italian or Russian Jews, are of a strong mixed ancestry, if they have kept their lineage from Judaic or Israeli exile genetic founding populations in their current nations of landing all of which sharing strong Afro-Asiatic, Near Eastern Y- and MtDNA lines.

    Jonah Lissner
    Independent Researcher of Sciences, PhD Student
    http://Lissnerresearch.weebly.com

    • Helen4Yemen

      DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry, zero, zilch! Here are 10 samples that look almost identical because the Ashkenazi are a closely knit group that had been breeding among its own members for centuries.

      Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
      1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
      2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
      3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
      4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
      5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
      6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
      7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
      8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
      9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
      10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

      Source:
      https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

  • Angela

    Here’s my theory on the Ashkenazi Jews, and I believe genes support it. http://passionateproject.blogspot.com/2014/05/all-about-hybrid-neanderthal-named-adam.html

  • T Bennett

    Problem with denying the Khazar theory can be seen in how the article admits near the end that over 80% of the Ashkenazi Jews are indigenous to Europe 2000 years ago….where did they migrate from to Europe? Judea and Samaria? Or Khazar? A large number of Khazars migrated to Europe during that time period. Clarification was not really given. Just promoting the Rhine theory, which has been criticized just as much, if not more than the Khazar theory.

    • Berel Dov Lerner

      80% of Ashkenazi Jews or 80% of their genotype? Notice to anyone reading this message: if you don’t understand my question, you probably didn’t understand the article either.

      • About 80% of Ashkenazi Jews have markers on their Y chromosome (male) or mitochondrial DNA (female) that suggest an ancient Jewish ancestry.

        • T Bennett

          Hi, I jumped in because Berel Dov Lerner misposted a comment most likely directed at you. Your wording seems to be giving him problems. The markers on Ashkenazi Jews is irrelevant. All of the supposed ‘Jewish Semitic’ blood (e.g. Levant) can also be found in abundance in the genotypes of all those who lived in historic Palestine, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. The Jews aren’t a distinct race, they’re not even a distinct population. It’s just a political term used to justify colonialism that’s been going on in the Occupied Palestinian Territories for half a century.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Oh, please, your statement makes me want to scream! What “ancient Jewish ancestry”? That is like saying “Muslim ancestry”. DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenanzi are purebred Europeans at a stunning level of 99.9% and with no trace of ME ancestry, nothing, zero!

          Btw: If the Jews are descended from biblical Abraham, then their DNA should match the people of Southern Iraq near the town of UR (near Basra) where Abraham is from and not Palestine which is 1000 miles away from UR.
          The Ashkenazi DNA traces to Poland, Lithuania, Hungary … and so on
          https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/dna-ashkenazi-region.png

      • T Bennett

        What is this? A pop up random comment after a year and it’s a strawman argument? I don’t recall you asking me anything. I think you meant to reply to Jon Entine.

    • Helen4Yemen
  • Grey

    That’s correct KYKNOC.

  • Another Mike

    I’m really surprised that the genetic researchers could detect that the Italian foremothers converted to Judaism. What kind of genetic marker does halachic conversion leave? Some sort of mutation?

    Absent such a genetic marker, Is there any paperwork showing these women converted? Which rabbis decided these women had validly converted, and what are their bona fides?

    No, as far as the evidence shows, since being a Jew depends on having a Jewish mother, most likely the European “Jews” are not Jewish at all. Surely Orthodox Jews would not recognize them as Jewish, which means Orthodox Jews with European mothers/grandmothers/etc. should not recognize themselves as Jewish.

    More importantly, merely living as if one were Jewish does not make you Jewish. You need to convert. But surely conversions performed by a Gentile rabbi would be invalid, as would ordinations, etc.

    If I were an Ashkenazi Conservative or Orthodox Jew, I would surely convert under a Mizrahi rabbi as soon as humanly possible, to remove the uncertainty.

    • There is no uncertainty. Under rabbinical law, genetic heritage cannot be considered to determine Jewishness. If one has been a Jew for a set number of generations–3-6 is often used.

      • Another Mike

        So, by now most rabbis have accepted the Black Hebrew Israelites as Jews, because they have been living as Jews since 1896. Good to know.

        • David’sCrown

          Hey smartass, the black ‘Hebrew Israelites’ are a cult not considered Jews by any authority, they haven’t gone through conversion. They are about as Jewish as the Christian Hebrews….

          • ME

            In reality white Ashekanzi claim to the people of the book is a cult

          • mark vincent

            What about the Chinese Jews ,they are indistinguishable from ordinary Chinese are they considered Jews if so, Why?

          • Helen4Yemen

            90% of world Jewry is Ashkenazi with a confirmed DNA of 99.9% European. That is solid European. No Ashkenazi has even a tiny trace of Middle East ancestry.

            https://disqus.com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

        • Helen4Yemen

          You mean as opposed to the Ashkenazi Jews who only converted in the 9th century?

      • Another Mike

        You do realize, that any rabbinical law created by Gentile rabbis would be invalid. So how far back does this rabbinical law go?

      • Isaiah

        A person is a Jew if that person is a descendant of Jacob (Israel). If not, then absolutely that person is not a Jew at all. Just a mindkick saying.

        • Berel Dov Lerner

          Tell that to Ruth the biblical (ex)Moabite, There is such a thing as conversion in Judaism,

        • Yadi Yada

          Do you have Jacob’s DNA????? If you don’t then you don’t have a definition for “Jews”.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Excellent point.

        • Helen4Yemen

          You mean Jacob of UR-Iraq? How then can any African or European or Chinese or Indian Jews claim to be Jews? And who do you compare the DNA of a Jew to validate there is a match to Jacob?

  • Effie Brown

    I feel more of a kinship with Koko the gorilla than most people I meet. I think our rapidly disappearing ape relatives are the true spiritual creatures of this planet. I don’t care what religion people claim to be, most of them are heartless bastards.

  • Jiml40

    Everywhere is criticized the Khazarian Hypothesis but 50% of the Jews have Non Mediterranean and Middle Eastern Haplogroupes (Dutch Jews have even 24% R1b1b2 and a lot of Easterner got through Bavaria Bohemia… 12% Saxony R1b….too … About Khazars from their Elite who converted and REMAINED Jewish, it comes out about 6% of Q1b Ydna which IS NOT COMING FROM ELSEWHERE THAN ALTAÏ…So Khazar White Turks

  • Jiml40

    According to Nicholas Wade of the New York Times, Doron Behar, one of the key authors of the 2006 analysis, said he disagreed with the conclusions, but has provided no detailed critique as yet.

    Behar and Others are AMAZING !!!!!They are in a Denying since the late 90/2000 they make fancy Stats with 17 people !

  • Dina

    The question I wonder is, did the Jews get their maternal ancestry from Italians, or do many Italians have ancient ancestry from Jews? I have Italian ancestry myself, and I had no idea that the bulk of my DNA might be shared with Jews – from all over the world, that is – until I got into genetic genealogy. As it turns out, I am very closely related to Sephardic and Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) Jews, as well as a close affinity to Ashkenazim. I am somehow even distantly related to Iraqi Jews. Iraq is quite far from Italy. I am also related to many non-Jew populations in the middle east. If these tools are accurate, I am particularly related to Palestinians, Bedouins, Syrian Jews, Druze and Samaritans. Reading DNA forums, I find that these are common results for Italians. This tells me that it could have something to do with Italy’s diverse history and the many people who came and settled in the regions. I know that many Jews indeed came to Italy and converted to Catholicism to integrate. This means that we really do have some Jewish history in Italy and history with parts of the Middle East as well. Not to forget all of the contact the Roman Empire had with the Middle East. My family lived around various regions Italy as far as I know, yet there was never any mention of us having Jewish ancestors. I wonder how many other Italian people will find this surprise in their DNA.

    • Dina

      Sorry I wrote that post poorly. I was up late browsing the net. To say “converted to integrate” does not sound correct as I realize many of them were forced to convert.

    • Jonah Lissner

      Shalom Dina, Mazel Tov, that means Great Tidings or Luck to you in your Journey to Torah.

    • Helen4Yemen

      Here is a link that has more than 100 DNA reports for Italians or Southern Europeans. The Italians do indeed have large levels of Middle East ancestry – as high as 20%. People of the Middle East too do have European DNA. But the Ashkenazi who make up 90% of world Jewry have no trace of Italian DNA and vice versa. Therefore, the Italians and the people of the Middle East did cross-breed, but the Ashkenazi and the Italians or the Ashkenazi and the people of the Middle East do not not share DNA. You must remember that the Ashkenazi is an isolated group that had been breeding within its own Ashkenazi group only. On average, the Ashkenazi score 96% “Ashkenazi DNA” and the remaining come from Eastern Europe.

      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

  • Fak_Zakaix

    “the early Roman Empire, when as much as 10 percent of the population practiced Judaism, many of them converts”. !?!

  • sho_uesugi

    DNA doesn’t carry ideas, values, or personality. It may be the building blocks of those things – but we are free to choose to be the sorts of men we want to be. Judge human beings as individuals, not as herds of animals. And as the study makes clear -we’re all a mix of everything.

  • Joseph

    Spin, political pressures, propaganda, financial incentives, I question whether objective results can be obtained and if obtained survive to be published. If the desert Deity who talked to Abraham promised the Jews the land of the Philistines in exchange for genocide does that mean modern Jews get a pass for genocide today?

    • Lucy S.

      The population of Gaza is one of the fastest-growing populations in the world since the strip has been under Israeli control. Tonnes of supplies are trucked in every day by Israel, while leftist “flotillas” carry a few expired medications and nothing of any use. Only in a leftist Neo-Nazi’s propaganda is that any kind of a “genocide”.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Therefore, people of color in Yemen, Sudan, Kenya better invite the white European colonists? What reason can you give me why this white man that goes by Ashkenazi is on Arab land except that god spoke to one Abraham from UR-Iraq and told him to travel 1000 miles to Palestine and force out and murder the natives. God never explained why Abraham was so deserving of other people’s land and what the people of Canaan had done to deserve genocide?

        https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/abraham-travels-2.png

  • Beautiful prostitutes get paid well by their wealthy customers, but often they become pregnant. Most are wives whose husbands raise the children while their mothers continue to work. It is not surprising that due to their wealthy clients the children inherited genes that got them to be shrewd and smart.
    “Jewesses were prominent in the practice of prostitution. Thus, of 5127 licensed prostitutes in 1889, 1122 or 22 per cent were Jewish. Prostitution was very prevalent in th…e impoverished Habsburg province of Galicia. According to Rabbi Rosenak of the German Union of Rabbis, in 1902”
    Owing to widespread poverty in the Jewish community many Jewish wives resorted to prostitution in order to live. The upside is that their children often came out with blond hair, blue eyes, and were smart and shrewd.
    That is the reason why many Jews today are millionaires.
    By MELVIN POLATNICK
    May 2015

  • Samir S. Halabi

    First Eran Elhaik is a total arsehole.There was a photograph
    Around 1921 showing Haim Weizmann dressed in a khaffir he looked more Arabian than the Arabians though he was an Ashkenazi Jew.
    There are numerous Ashkenazim today which can be easily
    taken for Arabs. The Jews in Europe for the passed 2,000 years
    all originated from Judea, yes there are some Jews who don’t look Jewish, the reason is that there was some admixture over time either through conversion or mixed marriage. HOWEVER the German NAzis under Hitler during the 3rd Reich didn’t distinguish between who looked
    Jewish and who didn’t, only today the Israel bashers do in order
    to try and de-legitimize Israel by stating that JEWS are infact just
    European colonisers. These stupid people if confronted with some Jews wouldn’t be able to distinguish them from Arabs, Kurds or Druze.

  • Berel Dov Lerner

    This article seems to assume a primitive biological (dare I say racist?) notion of national identity. It is cultural transmission (including, in the case of Jews, conversion) rather than genetic transmission which forms the real basis of nationhood. And you don’t need genetic speculations to know that contemporary Jews are the current bearers of Jewish culture which has been handed down and developed continuously from geneneration to generation across millenia.

  • David Ashton

    An obvious problem with the Khazar hypothesis, a favorite with anti-Zionists, is the phenotype of that original population, presumably Turki-Mongolid, in contrast to the Armenid features of most Ashkenazim. This one will run and run, with everyone from Shlomo Sand to Kevin MacDonald having something to pop into mix – but ultimately it will be objective and thorough genetic research that will settle this oh-so-sensitive issue.

    • Helen4Yemen
      • David Ashton

        Most interesting. On this basis do the Ashkenazim have any claim to Palestine, especially if they have no religious belief?

        Your view of Harry Ostrer’s “:Legacy” (2012) is welcome.

        • Helen4Yemen

          I am Middle Eastern and the Ashknazi are vividly European. When Europeans come to visit Arab villages, the children will run after them saying, “Ajnabee” meaning foreigner. How do you think they know they are foreigners? Of course, perhaps from how they dress but also how they look. Do you think the Arab children will not run after the Ashkenazi calling him foreigner? Of course. The point that I am making is that the Ashkenazi is European, period! Before DNA, he claimed this and that but hard to say this-and-that in the age of DNA.

          I am not too familiar with Harry Ostrer’s “Legacy”. But from what I can remember reading on it, it is a bunch of scientific mambo-jumbo signifying nothing. They still need to explain why the Ashkenazi is totally devoid of any ME ancestry while millions of Southern Europeans carry large levels of ME ancestry. My understanding is that Judaism came to a European people who are now known as the Ashkenazi. And because the religion teaches not to marry outside of the group, the Ashkenazi had been breeding within the group ever since. They did not come from the ME, Judaism came to them in exactly the same way Christianity traveled to Europe.

          https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/italian_greek_types_of_dna/

          https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/

          • David Ashton

            Thank you. Your posts albeit repetitive have been most interesting and lucid, unlike some of the filthy language and/or religious rubbish in so-called response to them.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Can you tell me what you mean by repetitive so that I may avoid doing so if I know where I am being repetitive. Thanks.

            I am still waiting for you to answer my question about Ashkenazi and Sephardi sharing …

          • David Ashton

            You repeatedly post the same samples of well-known Ashkenazim without ME ancestry.

            Awaiting hospitalization again, I do not now have time to dig out the details you now request, but meanwhile see e.g. J. R. Baker, “Race”, OUP 1974, p.246; N. Wade, “Studies show Jews’ genetic similarity”, NYT, 2010.

          • David Ashton

            I have posted a reply which has not (yet) appeared on screen.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I never wait for any ‘pending” comment to be approved, often it is a word that triggers it. Try posting a paragraph at at time, post the the fist paragraph then edit your comment and then add the 2nd paragraph and so on until it goes pending again and you will know which paragraph is causing it and look for the ‘offending word’.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I browsed through the first few pages of your comment history and I would like you to know that you should not throw out statements that you cannot back up with evidence. I do understand that you are a white supremacist but you still need to remain credible by making factual statements.
            1) and Middle Eastern migrants and bombers should not be in Europe. Who are the ME bombers? You risk looking childish when you make silly and childish statements like this one.
            2) The Sephardim and Ashkenazim have not been totally separate genetically. I asked you to tell me what you mean and you just ran away. ‘Sephardim” sometimes means Spanish-Portuguese Jews only and sometimes the Arab Jews are added. And you made that statement up with nothing to back it up – nothing!
            3) The Arabs and Sephardim were more closely related as Orientalid-Mediterranean people than the Armenid Ashkenazim. Again, one silly statement after another. The Arabs are not a race; an Arab is anyone whose mother tongue is Arabic. Sudanese and Yemenis are not the same race. Again, you made up that statement.
            4) Harry Ostrer’s “Legacy: A genetic history of the Jewish people” (2012). You cannot have a genetic history of the Jewish people since they are made up of many races such as Arab Jews, European, Jews, African Jews. The title itself should make this book suspect.
            5) I agree with you too re Islam – but even the Mormons and JWs do not threaten apostates with execution. The Jews, Muslim, Christians lived in peace when white Christian Europe was murdering its Jews. Before you proceed with such silly statements, you need to give us a list of apostates that were executed in Arab-Muslim countries. Got such a list for us?
            6) The Quran tells believers not to take Jews or Christians as comrades People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. evilbible.com
            Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Someone else may say to you, “Let’s worship other gods.” That person may be your best friend, your brother or sister, your son or daughter, or your own dear wife or husband. But you must not listen to people who say such things. Instead, you must stone them to death. You must be the first to throw the stones, then others from the community will finish the job. Don’t show any pity. The gods worshiped by other nations have never done anything for you or your ancestors. People who ask you to worship other gods are trying to get you to stop worshiping the Lord, who rescued you from slavery in Egypt. So put to death anyone who asks you to worship another god.
            7) Jews have more foresight with money than with diplomacy. Which Jews? The Ugandan or Yemeni or Chinese or German Jews? This is one in a series of just silly statements.
            8) Should all people with white skins living today bear the “guilt” of actions now considered wrong carried out by some other people with white skins living in past centuries? Isn’t this “racism” in the pejorative sense of the term? Britain handed over Palestine to European Jewry. Britain invaded Iraq and bombed it to shreds. Do you not feel an obligation to somehow undo the evils done to others by your people?

          • David Ashton

            I have not “run away” but am now away from my library at home. So just a few comments for the time being.

            I personally do not accept as authoritative the “Old” or “New Testament”, any more than the Quran or Hadith.

            “My people” were not directly responsible for the Balfour agreement; and I opposed the war against Iraq as did many British people.

            Islamists of migrant origin have caused explosions or tried to cause them in Britain.

            Of course, “the Jews” are not a systemic race in the basic taxonomic sense; this was pointed out even by Nazi anthropologists.

            The statement about finance and politics referred primarily to the self-defined Jewish communities in Europe and America; cf. the studies by Jerry Muller, Jacques Attali, Werner Sombart, Kevin MacDonald, Karl Marx, Karl Kautsky.

            The application of the label “white supremacist” to me can mislead readers. It is fair to say that I want the “white nations” to remain predominantly “white” and that I wish us to have a major influence in world affairs, but I do not advocate the invasion, colonization or domination of other lands.

          • David Ashton

            My reply to your attack has not appeared as of 1.30 PM GMT Sunday May 15, 2017.

            Re (5) On Muslim violence against other believers and apostates, see e.g. the writings of Raymond Ibrahim (Gatestone Institute online).

          • David Ashton

            Please note that all my replies to your attacks have not appeared on screen.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I gave advise on how to post your comments if they are being held up. It may not be human but technical interference such as a forbidden word. Try to post yours a paragraph at at time and then go to edit and keep adding your paragraphs until it goes into pending and you will now where to find the ‘offending’ word.

          • David Ashton

            There were no conceivable “forbidden” words in my posts. I am now away from my library at home, but will just repeat for now my reminder that I have two references to intermarriage between Sephardim and Ashenazim by John Baker & Nicholas Wade, & you can search the internet yourself.

            There have been Islamist bombings in Europe.

            I would not accept the label “supremacist” without precise definition.

          • Helen4Yemen

            There have been Christian SHOCK&AWE on many Muslim countries … do you want me to name them?

            For the Ashkenazi to marry an Arab Jew is considered a big shame

            And what if she’s Sephardi?
            Ynet News – Neta Sela|Published: 06.08.07

            “On the ‘haredi street’ it’s known that if an Ashkenazi guy marries a Sephardi girl he must have a problem. It’s unusual for Sephardim and Ashkenazim to get married because Sephardim are considered inferior and Ashkenazim are considered more elite. For a Sephardi girl it’s a step up in the world to get an Ashkenazi guy.

            In this world, marriages between two people from different ethnic groups are almost impossible, and are certainly rare, even today. The official explanation for racial segregation is different approaches to Jewish law. Ashkenazim, for example, tend to be stricter, while Sephardim are more lenient.

            Menachem from Jerusalem admits that this approach is not necessarily in keeping with the lofty values of Judaism, but he frankly confesses that “no matter how shocking this sounds, it’s the reality. You can even offer a 30-year old guy a Sephardi girl and he’ll be insulted to the depths of his soul, and won’t understand how you could even dare to suggest such a thing.”

            He says that the social stigmas surrounding this issue are so strong that he finds it hard to believe that “anything will change soon. Even my children and even my grandchildren are liable to suffer from this. Right away they’ll start to talk about it behind your back – ‘Did you hear that so-and-so married a Sephardi girl?’ It’s an embarrassment.”

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3433983,00.html

          • David Ashton

            When I return home I shall download to print that interesting item. Ethnic & religious hostilities within Israel are well known.

            I have never supported western attacks on Arab countries and the US-Israel “alliance” to that end.

          • David Ashton

            When I return home I shall print the interesting item you quote. Ethnic & religious friction inside Israel is well known.

            I have never supported western attacks on Arab countries in the interest of US

            Zionists.

          • David Ashton

            My answer came & went.

            I shall print your Ynet quote. There is well-known ethnic/religious friction inside Israel.I have never supported US attacks on Arab countries.

          • 1abcde

            I agree with you completely on this. I believe that the Ashkenazi Jews were the indigenous peoples of pre-historic Europe. Judaism was introduced to them. As Dr. Richards claimed, most likely from a few Jews who made it into Europe and then proselytized. There was a mass conversion of Europeans who took on Judaism and raised their children in that religion. They didn’t marry outside that group if they didn’t faithfully practice that religion.

            The funny thing is you’ll get these white nationalist’s who will claim Jews aren’t white. I mean, can the Jews in Europe be any whiter?

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/david-duke-david-hirsh2.png?w=300

            David Duke is the first out there to say that Jews are not white or Jews are not Khazars or that Jews are race and the reason is very obvious that he does not want the group of people that he hates the most to be part of Europe. But that is also what the Ashkenazi believe. Therefore, these age-old and sworn enemies have something that binds them together. What I find odd is when Jews groups start to post Duke’s statements that they are not white as confirmation and validation. But how dothey neglect to post all the horrible things that Duke says about Jews.

          • 1abcde

            You said you were from the Middle East. I presume Yemen? Would that be correct?

            May I ask if you’re a religious person? Muslim, Christian, Jew? Just curious.

            And great pic of Duke and Hirsh. That’s why it drives me crazy when someone says “they look Jewish”. That’s because Hollywood wants everyone to believe all Jews look like Woody Allen.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I will refer to Ashkenazi as (AJ) = Ashkenazi Jews

            1) I am Middle Eastern but raised outside the Middle East and firmly a non-believer. I would rather not say what part of the Middle East my ancestry is from.

            2) The is a “Jewish look” but it is not “Jewish” but “(AJ) look”. How else have I been able to tell that one is an (AJ) when I came across one and have always been correct? Of course, there are among the (AJ) those that just look your average white European. There are some groups of people that have distinct group features such as the Somalis, Ethiopians, Yemenis, Nigerians, Indians and when I identify them as part of their group their reaction is always a smile. But who would even dare tell an (AJ )that he looks like one? If you tell an (AJ) that he looks Middle Eastern, that would be the best compliment for him. Weird, just weird.

            3) I have hundreds of pictures of the (AJ) saved that I will be uploading online soon. I have yet to see one image of any (AJ )that has even the slightest resemblance to anyone in the Middle East. You have read on this blog how they say they look “Arab” or “Semitic”. That is total nonsense. They never say they look Mexican or Indian but only the Arab people who live on that land they call their ancestral land. That is why these pictures become very powerful. When they start their silly comments about how they look like ME people, I just give them the link that has hundreds of images of the (AJ) and ask them to tell me which one looks “Semitic”. They always run away.

            4) “That person looks Jewish” is like saying that person looks Muslim or Christian. Remember that 90-95% of world Jewry is (AJ)

            Here are 3 very short videos where the (AJ) say they are not ‘white”, i.e. not European.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I have come across some who call themselves progressives but one thing they will never leave behind is their “Jewish identity” even as atheists. I then asked them if they are atheist, what remains that makes them Jews? Is it in the kidney, in the bones, in the blood? These folks will never talk to me again because “the Jew” they are referring to is the “Israelite blood” in them. Ridiculous!

  • David Ashton

    Looking through these comments on July 22, 2015, I see a jumble of conflicting assertions and pronouncements, many detached from the latest historical or genetic data. I support freedom of expression, but would like some expressions to be more grounded in reality. Many of us know the joke that where you have 2 Jews you get 3 opinions, but this is ridiculous (so much so that I am surprised that the WJC and ADL censorhip committees have not taken a watchful interest).

  • 1abcde

    The bottom line is the Ahskenazi women were not the Jews of the Middle East. They were indigenous people of Europe who “converted” to Judaism and became Jews. Then raised their families as Jews.

    I’m so tired of people trying to pass off Jewish heritage as a people of race or nationality. Being a Jew is a religious identity! Period!

    Abraham’s covenant with Go_ was a religious covenant not a racial covenant. This new DNA evidence just proves that so many American Jews are not the Jews of Israel or the Middle East.

    • Actually that’s not the bottom line and not what the genes. Jews s generally homogenous group with overwhelming links to the Middle East. Jews have as much or more racial identity as almost any ethnic group in the world. There is no evidence Abrahim existed. And if so he sealed s tribal relationship..not a religious one as we now use the word. It was based on community and not faith.

      • 1abcde

        Any covenant through God is a religious one. Period.

      • Helen4Yemen

        I have no idea what you are trying to say? I know you are the blog owner and a genetic expert but your statements make no sense!

        I am Middle Eastern and I can tell you that no Ashkenazi is. Period. Just as no Japanese or Eskimo is. The Ashkenazi are European and they do score on average 96% in a genetic group called “Ashkenazi” (23andme) or “European-Jewish” (ancestry dot com). These people have no trace of ME ancestry – zero! Therefore, trying to link up a people where they have no ancestry is not going to sound acceptable. Imagine if the Nigerians were to insist that they were Norwegians? Nothing connects the Ashkenaz to the ME – nothing.

    • mark vincent

      It is just a race myth to justify taking other people’s land.

      • 1abcde

        I wouldn’t subscribe to that theory.

        • Helen4Yemen

          And why not? What else did these white Europeans use as an excuse to take over land inhabited by people of color except that they were “returning”?

    • Helen4Yemen

      The Ashkenazi score on average 96% in the genetic group called “Ashkenazi”. That simply means they are not mixed with anyone but a group of a European people, perhaps the Khazars, who converted to Judaism and kept their racial make up in tact by marrying within the group.

  • 1abcde

    Jon,

    Many Jewish Scholars would disagree with you and so does the scientific evidence. Jews are not a “race” of people. Jews can have red hair or black hair, different facial features, etc. They are not a race. Being a Jew is a religious identity.

    In addition, Do you think the Jews of Morocco have anything in common with Jews from Russia? They don’t.

    • Dafydd

      On the contrary – Ashkenazi Jews and Moroccan Jews are particularly close

      • 1abcde

        Other than their faith they don’t have much else in common. They do not share a common language, culture, food, etc.

        • Dafydd

          See the Behar study – it is one of many. You will also find it under “Genetic Studies on Jews “in Wikipedia. They share strong genetic affinities, whereas Jews from Russia are not very related to Russians – quite far in fact

          • 1abcde

            There are many DNA studies that have differing opinions. There was a DNA study conducted several years ago that traced the mitochondrial DNA from European Jewish women. The study showed that the DNA of these women was more closely related to the indigenous European peoples than those from the Levant. Indicating that there was quite possibly a mass conversion.

            Jews have intermarried and converted to and from Judaism for thousands of years. In addition, Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for thousands of years.

            Having an affinity doesn’t make it the same.

            Even the reputable DNA labs will tell you that they can’t say whether you’re Jewish or not, because it is a religion. What they can say is whether you might have had Jewish ancestry.

            Just as a Brazilian who’s family originated from Scotland hundreds of years ago. That doesn’t make one Scottish. They are Brazilian.

            It makes sense if one doesn’t have DNA closely related to those from the Levant than they aren’t the Jews of the Bible. Most likely converts who’ve evolved over the generations. Which is why the DNA of Jews from the Levant, Europe and the Iberian Peninsula are different.

            People in certain areas of the world also have similar DNA or genetic features.Some Greeks and Arabs have been noted to have similar DNA to Jews, yet they weren’t Jewish.

          • Dafydd

            You are referring to the Richards Study- and that is precisely my point. Ashkenazi Jewish maternal ancestry is largely South European, D, and so is the maternal ancestry of Moroccan Jews. Roman women were known to have converted in large numbers. The men were less inclined to do so. There is a broad consensus in the majority of DNA studies on this point. No geneticist talks in terms of “proving Jewishness” All these studies show are remarkable similarities and a shared history between most Jewish groups on a y chromosome level, and between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews on a MtDNA level.

          • 1abcde

            There are many groups with similar DNA that are closely related. That doesn’t mean they have anything in common such as language, food or culture and traditions.

            But we can agree there was a mass conversion from European women to Judaism.

            There is a saying. Put two Jewish scholars in a room to describe what a Jew is and you’ll get 4 different answers.

          • Dafydd

            True – Jews largely do not agree on who is a Jew. Unfortunately, in the anti semitic world we live in the rest of the world is deeply aware of what they consider a Jew to be, and on one level, I have to agree that most Jews in Europe look physically different from their European hosts. Perhaps it is the particular admixture , mixed though it is,that they share!

          • 1abcde

            Well I can tell you I knew a few Jews who you would never have guessed were Jews based on physical appearance. Hollywood would love people to believe all Jews look like woody Allen.

            I had a friend who I used to work out with occasionally. You would think he was 100% Aryian white spremecist based on looks.

            Very small nose, high cheek bones, crew cut hair, big boned and physically strong. I happened to stop by his house one time and saw a pic of him making his barmitzvah. I was floored.

            I met several “Jews” who didn’t look anything close to what a European Jew is stereotyped as.

            I personally believe being a Jew is a religious identity.

          • Dafydd

            Indeed, there are some very aryan looking Jews. It depends I presume on which part of their ancestry predominates. For the most part, i find them easy to distinguish without even knowing anything about them.

            I often used to wonder why so many Jews of Ashkenazi descent had a type of frizzy hair that you would never find in Northern Europe. A recent study by Moorjani showed a level of 3 – 5% Sub Saharan African ancestry , interestingly across all Jewish groups, Mizrachi included that appears to have entered their population at the same time. It is fascinating to know where they picked this up. Perhaps that is where the expression “Jewfro ” came from!

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/

            Can you point to a Jew with a ” frizzy hair” on these pictures?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “I personally believe being a Jew is a religious identity”.

            Exaxrly!

            https://europeanjews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/ashkenazi-european-jews/

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Helen4Yemen

            The average Ashkenazi score 96% in a genetic group called “Ashkenazi” or “European Jewish”. The Ashkenazi are in fact unmixed, one of the purest and whitest of European groups.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ashkenazi-dna-96-3.png

            https://i1.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/me-dna-98-1.png

            European Jews are European at 99.9% and 0% Middle Eastern.
            The Arabs score very high in Middle Eastern DNA.

            Show me one DNA report where the Ashkenazi scores even 1% ME DNA. There are none.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Interesting how you the white Jews do not even mention the black Jews like they do not exist. They do exist.

            http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nxTHk1BGwN4/TNt6MeTUgwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/VMT2_qnPTEQ/s1600/ethiopia_idf_soldiers.jpg

        • Helen4Yemen

          You are 100% correct.

          Keep these facts in mind:

          1. The Arab Jews have nothing in common with the Ashkenazi Jews except for religion but have everything in common with their Arab brothers and sisters except for religion.

          2. Arab Jews are the brothers and sisters of the Arab people but only coreligionists of Ashkenazi Jews.

          3. Arabs Jews lived in peace and harmony with their Arab brothers and sisters while European Jews were hated for centuries.

          4. Arab Jews were brought to Palestine by the white Jews as cheap labor to replace the 900,000 Palestinians that the Europeans ethnically cleansed from their land.

          5. The arrival of the foreign non-Semitic Ashkenazi Jews from Europe to Arab Palestine disturbed the peaceful coexistence of all Arabs.

      • Helen4Yemen

        And the Ashkenazi J

        • 1abcde

          He writes it because that’s what he has been spoon fed since he’s a child.

          • Helen4Yemen

            This “Dafydd” can only respond to those he feels they do not know much about his propaganda. He does of course understand that he cannot respond to me without risking looking like a child.

    • Helen4Yemen
  • JACK H

    further PROOF that very few Jews have any ancestrial ties to the holy lands

  • Savingstone

    This correlates very well with documented Jewish history. Jewish society obviously has an ancient tradition of literacy, in multiple languages, and there are libraries upon libraries across the world with tens of thousands of Jewish texts and manuscripts spanning from the Roman Empire through the ages.

    There were “Jewish Roman Wars” ( 66 – 135 CE ) that resulted in mass Judean emigration to Rome as slaves and refugees. This is even depicted on the Arch of Titus in Roma as well as recorded by contemporaneous historians like Josephus and later Roman ones. The wars period was for around 100 years emperors Vespasian Titus Hadrian – Hadrian quelled the final and most successful Jewish rebellion which destroyed the garrisoned legion and managed autonomy for a little over a year. Following Hadrian were two “benevolent” Emperors to the Jews; Antoninus Pius and Lucious Septimius Severus.

    Rome already had a Jewish community of merchants including multiple synagogues well before the Jewish Roman wars and sacking of Jerusalem. Since redeeming captives is a longstanding practice and a commandment it isn’t unreasonable to think Judean slaves may have been ransomed by wealthy Jewish Roman patrons and that the influx of refugees from the war desolated land may have been absorbed by this community. Also, it does not sound problematic at all for these Judean men to take Roman wives…this practice occurred often in ancient times.

    The Talmud which was written through the 2nd – 3rd Century CE in the Roman Empire as well as in Mesopotamia is also another primary source in addition to Josephus, Pliny the Elder, and Dio

    It is also known that centuries later Jews in Rome were invited to settle by Charlemagne,particularly as brokers and money lenders. Subsequently Polish rulers also invited them.

  • ME

    Any scientific study done by white supremacists of whom constitute the majority is consigned to the dustbin. Until Black African DNA is the basis for extrapolating the DNA of the Hebrews and all those that claim a connection, then such euro oriented studies are INHERENTLY flawed.

    Today the so called or self styled Jews who are of Edom are gods of this current world and they have the tools of their forebears who have stolen the birthright of the Hebrews out of whom God has chosen his elect. These tools, known as the lies of their father enable the so called or self styled Jews to manipulate DNA facts.

    According to the Torah the Hebrews would be identied with slave trading that would recur more than once and guess who were well placed evertime this happened were the babylonian or hellenized Jew traitors to the Laws of Moses. North and South as in upper and lower Egypt, northern and southern Israel, perfectly mirrored in the current northern hordes raping and destroying southern so called third word nations of todays world.
    Today a simple paradigm is currently destroying all white supremacist studies such as Oestrer cunning convolution to cling on to their lying narrative…Todays living language in Africa, where Africans in west, central, eastern and southern Africa know many of their languages contain numerous Hebrew words.

    Today we witness the hidden hand of white supremacy engineer a mass culling of Africans everywhere…what goes around cones around again and again as foretold in the Torah which tells the children of the atlantic slave trade that the curses would ‘persue’ them ie happen more than once.

    The current similarities of the abuse of the Palestinians and abuse of Black Americans is a hidden meme set to explode in due times. Refugee and economic migration directed at Europe is part of the Satanic plan being enacted because soon Satan will no longer be able to hide himself.

  • ME

    HISTORICAL PROOF: HITLER said THE REAL JEWS are NEGROES

    Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    Synagogue Of Satan Book is the TalMUD

    Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
    Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
    Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
    Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

    The above refers to some of the Black Hebrew churches (probably including the ISUPK) and most of the Black and White Christian churches of the west as some or all of their doctrines are being sorely tested by historical facts and interpretations. However the Black Hebrews are young firebrands some ok and some definately not ok, harmless to whites but detrimental to blacks and that is a whole other story.

    But lets not concentrate on the messenger but listen to the message that Hitler his propoganda films were claiming that the Jewish people. According to the theme that developed the fascists observed the following about what they knew of the Jew

    …change their outward experience when they leave their Polish nests and go out into the rich world. […] When he appears without them, then it is only the keen-eyed amongst us who recognise his racial origins. […] It is true that their fathers and grandfathers still lived in ghettoes, but there is no trace left now in their external appearance. Here in the second and third generation, the Aryanisation has reached its zenith. […] And people lacking in intuition allow themselves to be deceived by this mimicry and regard them as being in truth their equals. Therein lies the dreadful danger, for even these ‘civilised’ Jews remain foreign bodies in the organism of their hosts, no matter how much their outward appearance may correspond to that of their hosts.[

    The Good Book also states that the false jews would cop a disaster for usurping his word but some have made a good living out of their calamity, The powerful ones are the sons of Edom/Esau and the rest of the Hebrews and Jews that clung on to his shirts have also changed themselves into that thing our Father detests

    This is a war of The Truth vs The Lie, a race war between the Jews, with one side using all the tools of the darkness which is the Lie against the other side. But they The sons of darkness get others to fight their wars and kill their ‘enemies’. Black hebrews beware you ignore the Palestinian plight at your peril. That includes those in and out of Africa.

    Now the chip is going to be unavoidable and that is what needs to be concentrated on. While they got everybody fighting over words and ideas poor peoples worldwide are being enslaved.

    WTFU…some are gonna be genocided as useless eaters…but all those that love that phrase will suddenly find themselves as the only victim available after they have gored on the blood of the innocents.

    The correct thig to do is the right thing…everyone can only do this to the best of their ability but everyone, even the youngest child knows right from wrong.

    There is going to be no excuse.

  • ME

    And so I speak directly to the world leaders…touch a hair of Gods people and you and your kind will not know peace.

    The elect have been called and are hidden under a rainbow of humanity.

    You know North and South tensions and you exploit mankind for your evil ends…however, the information is for the peoples you intend to gather as your armies against the truth. Most are so blinded by your false images their eyes will never see what their ears hear (Media) or hear what their eyes see (Media). But the rainbow is the patriarchs covenant, and even for that we give our lives so many will even know in their blindness, aforementioned as false.

    But we watchers damn you today after following your plan for nigh over the aeons through the eyes of our ancestors. And you know we are right.

    Anonymous in the open

  • md2205

    It is interesting to note that Jewish history maintains that many, many Romans came to Israel 2000 years ago to convert and they became Jewish.

  • Samir Halabi

    If the majority of European Jewry originated from European women’s lineage, why is it that the overall majority of European Jews look Semites and not European, why do many Saudis look like Jews from London or Paris. The overall majority of European Jewry whether from Southern, Northern, western or eastern Europe all look Jewish in the Semite fashion. During the Nazi era when the Germans over ran Poland, the Nazi swine dogs could easily differentiate in between Jew and Gentile.

  • Samir Halabi

    I know of many Jewish people in the UK who’s Maternal and Paternal origins came from eastern Europe, yet some Arabs who have encountered them, thought they were in fact from some Arab countries, how does that fit in with your analysis.

  • 1harry2

    An Ashkenazi Jew with roots in Poland, Lithuania, and Russia, I just got the results of my DNA study done and it revealed two important strains. First that I am 99% European, and of that 93% European Jewish. I have NOT a trace of Middle Eastern/Levant ancestry in me. This is supposed to be very similar to another Ashkenazi Jews, so I do not see where the “Middle eastern” roots come in.We have been in Europe- not Israel/Palestine – through prehistoric times. Second was my hunch based on my mother’s ancestral name “Volpe” in Lithuania , her claim to be of Italian ancestry, coincidences, and the prevalence of Italian Jews in the Roman Diaspora whom I submit intermarried freely with non-Jewish Italians, that I have Italian non-Jewish DNA which showed up as the only other part of my DNA, albeit at a rather small 2%. I submit that Eastern European Jews, by and large, have almost no Palestinian DNA, and that the Italian connection is worth looking into.

    • Lou Ericson

      Hi 1harry2, I believe that your 93% European Jewishness is referring to the localized DNA cluster, whereby the most recent Ashkenazi emigrants hail from central & eastern Europe. So if you look at a DNA map, it will indicate Ashkenazim as haling from this region. But the genetic makeup of this populous includes Y-DNA (male) markers from the Levant & Mt-DMA markers from south & central Europe, infused many generations over but maintaining a tight-knit cluster. I believe DNA test companies do a poor job of relaying the actual genetic breakdown of Jewish DNA. They focus on the most recent geographic homeland of the Ashkenazi Jews, not the original one(s).

      • 1harry2

        Hi Mr. Erickson,
        You might be right- the DNA testing company may not be highlighting or even recognizing the Y-DNA male markers from the Levant. Someone should bring this to their attention. How would anyone know , then, if there are legitimate Y-DNA male markers from the Middle east if the DNA does not show this in Ashkenazi Jews such as myself? Or is it just assumed that this Jewish population had originated in the Levant?

      • Bassom Alfieed

        yes, if you read the info on european jewish on ancestry dna it does refer to the fact that jews DO NOT match the DNA of an eastern european and goes on to say how they originated from the east and migrated to europe over 2000 years. It is very different and misleading from the map perspective and even the title of “european jewish”, not sure why they just don’t say “jewish”.

        • Helen4Yemen

          (not sure why they just don’t say “jewish”.)

          Because there is no “Jewish” DNA nor Hindu or Muslim or Christian. The name “European-Jewish” is very deceptive. But the bottom line is that the DNA of the Ashkenazi is 96% on average in this category. It is very similar to the Irish who also on average have 95% “Irish-DNA”. What they choose to call the Ashkenazi DNA is irrelevant, what is relevant is where the source of that DNA is, and is not the ME but Poland, Lithuania, Austria and so on. All Ashkenazi score a minimum of 99% European and 0% Middle Eastern. Btw: 23andme calls the Ashkenazi DNA as “Ashkenazi” which makes more sense.

        • Helen4Yemen

          https://i2.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3-jews-3001.png

          Then the Ashkenazi went to Europe and he became white?
          And the African went to Africa and he became black?
          And the Arab Jews went to Arab countries and started to look like the Arabs? Don’t you think that is just pure nonsense? Judaism went to Europe, to African and the Middle East just like Islam and Christianity did.

          The title “European Jewish” is stupid unless they have DNA categorized as “African-Jewish” “Arab Jewish” and so on. 23andme calls it “Ashkenazi”. That is much better. If they say “Jewish”, then they better have Hindu and Muslim and Christian and atheits DNA.

  • Lou Ericson

    If the original founders of Ashkenazim are of European origin, how does this reconcile with Orthodox Jewish law which dictates either a conversion process and/or direct matrilineal descent?…considering that many a Orthodox rabbi have no problem telling even a child “you’re not Jewish if your mother isn’t.” I’m thinking specifically of the Lemba tribe in southern Africa, who are systematically denied official status as Jews by the South African Jewish community, because their religious affinity stems from just a handful of Levantine male migrants. Doesn’t this community mirror the pattern of Euro-Ashkenazim in that it stems from male migrants incorporating locals & specifically mating with indigenous females? I’d love to hear more discussion on this topic.

    • 1abcde

      Being a Jew is a religious identity. So, like other religions you can convert to and from. During the first 200 years of the CE lineage or status was passed down from the father not matrilineal, this included Jews. It changed from patrlineal to matrilineal because during that time Roman soldiers were raping Jewish women. It was established by rabbi’s it would be easier to identify the child through the mother than patrilineal line.

      This wasn’t a commandment from God, but was decided upon by a group of rabbi’s and religious leaders.

  • Juvenal451

    If you want to have a good laugh, look at the White Supremacist website Stormfront, where there is much twisting and turning trying to preserve racial purity in the face of genetic evidence.

  • Joe_Wazzzz

    It looks like an attempt at scientific discussion has basically turned into a bible class. So often the case. How closely we are all related is insignificant when you take into account the fact, the REAL fact, that people tend to identify and congregate with those they perceive as their culture, their own kind. A high school cafeteria easily bears this out. In stressful situations it is even more pronounced, prison being a glaring example. The real significant take away is that a people, who represent less than a fraction of one percent of the world population are likely to cause global devastation because of unsubstantiated beliefs. And to add insult to injury, they gave the world the means of doing it, specifically nuclear weapons.

  • Umschaltspiel KOP

    There is no such thing as European Jews. They had been wandered and Settled in Europe for almost a thousand years (if not more). They are just descendants of European who identified themselves with exotic judaic-zionist beliefs.

  • If
    “most modern Jews are descended on their male side from a core
    population of approximately 20,000 Jews who migrated from Italy”, how is it possible to conclude that “less than 25 percent—originated outside of the Near East, presumably as converts”?

  • Mike Barrington

    I think this makes sense and why so many European Jews look physically interchangeable with a lot of Mediterranean people, particularly Iberian Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, and Greeks. I was watching a marathon of Sopranos episodes and when I looked up the actor who played Richie Aprile (David Proval) I found out that he was of Jewish heritage but my God that guy could pass for Al Pacino’s brother!

  • Joseph De Soto

    I am a Sephardic Priest (Kohen) by tradition and by DNA testing a descendent of Aaron.and this is my ruling: Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews are Jewish based on appropriate conversion and in 40% genetic lineage. Reform Ashkenazi Jews by Genetics and by not following the Torah are not. Thus, 90% of American “Jews” cannot be considered Jewish and are indeed frauds. It Is this latter group which makes up Hollywood, the pedophiles, transgenders, bankers and the murderers

    JD · 4 mins ago

  • Joseph De Soto

    The Lemba Tribe had 7 Kohanim join the tribe and teach them Judaism. This is known. It does not make them Jewish however. Their overall DNA is only 1% Semitic.

    • Helen4Yemen

      There is no “Semitic” DNA

      23ANDME – EUROPEAN

      Northwestern European
      a) British & Irish
      b) Finnish
      c) French & German
      d) Scandinavian
      Southern European
      a) Balkan
      b) Iberian
      c) Italian
      d) Sardinian
      Eastern European
      Ashkenazi

      ANCESTRY.COM – EUROPEAN

      Europe East
      Europe West
      European Jewish
      Finland-Northwestern Russia
      Great Britain
      Iberian Peninsula
      Ireland
      Italy-Greece
      Scandinavia

      There is only “Middle East” and “North Africa” two different genetic groups

    • Helen4Yemen

      You are such a f-ing moron. I never ever resort to insults but with you it is deserved. Abraham-Jacob-Isaac who loved to F their nieces an cousins and brought interbred new generation were not from Palestine but from Ur in Iraq.

      YES OR NO?

  • Helen4Yemen

    “There is no Palestine in the Bible.”
    …………………….
    Exodus 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

    Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

    Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

    Joel 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

    (King James version)

    • HappyRick

      The nations will hear and tremble; anguish will grip the people of Philistia.
      That refers to the Philistines, who were a non-Semitic of Aegean origin, who came into conflict with the Israelites and the Egyptians during the 12th and 11th centuries BC.

      • Helen4Yemen

        If the Palestinians are the natives, then who is?

        • Omnis Odium

          hahahah no is fucking native

          but my guess? the closest would be the Hamites, the Nabateans, the mother fuckers who are almost all gone now (there are still some).

          you know, they’re black skinned, but have facial features common to most Jews, most Arabs and Amharici, used to speak Nabatean Aramaic / are the reason confused Christians think their Gospels originated in Aramaic but “were lost” (they didn’t, Christianity is a Judeo-Makedonian religion of Hellenized Alexandrian Jews and Makedonian Hellene converts)

          it’s a fucking cross roads through all of civilization

          like it’s IMPOSSIBLE for ther eto be natives

      • Omnis Odium

        you’re making huge assumptions
        And mixing the Bible with real cultural heritage is kind of meaningless
        the Bible says Hittites were sons of Heth, which makes sense in the context of like… Heth son of Canaan son of Ham

        but in reality they were an Indo-European speaking culture

        they weren’t even close to being Hamitic/semi-Semitic

    • Randy Settenbrino

      Read a history book. Palestine is not Philistine. Palestine is the name given by the Romans when they sought to eradicate the Jewish presence in the land. Philistines are considered to be a people of Greek descent see National Geographic Kristin Romey “an extraordinarily different culture” from other local populations at the time. These include pottery with close parallels to the ancient Greek world, the use of an Aegean—instead of a Semitic—script, and the consumption of pork (as well as the occasional dog). Several passages in the Hebrew Bible describe the interlopers as coming from the “Land of Caphtor,” or modern-day Crete.

  • Helen4Yemen

    All Ashkenazi score a minimum of 99% European ancestry. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/ashkenazi_dna/

    • Randy Settenbrino

      1911 Britannica declares the Muslim population as a conglomeration of various people’s from Africa Asia and Europe. The 1931 census has the local Muslims as speaking 24 languages.

      Many of their surnames indicate other countries e.g.Masri -Egypt.

      Muslims flocked to the land to enjoy the investment that Jewish renewal brought to the land. See Churchill Who noted the Muslims are flooding the land faster than all the world Jews could lift up the land.

      • Helen4Yemen

        You did not deny that the Ashkenazi European ancestry at 99.9% and 0% Middle East. You just did a copy and paste from Hasbara Central.

        When did the Arabs begin to “flood in” looking for snow-white Ashkenazi to give them jobs?
        Palestine population
        Year …… Muslim …… Christian …… Jews
        1851 …… 300,000 …… 27,000 …… 13,000
        1861 …… 325,000 …… 31,000 …… 13,000
        1878 …… 386,320 …… 40,588 …… 13,942
        1879 …… 390,597 …… 41,331 …… 14,197
        1880 …… 394,935 …… 41,089 …… 14,460
        1881 …… 399,334 …… 42,864 …… 14,731
        1882 …… 403,795 …… 43,659 …… 15,011
        1883 …… 408,318 …… 44,471 …… 15,300
        1884 …… 412,906 …… 45,302 …… 15,599
        1885 …… 417,560 …… 46,152 …… 15,908
        1890……. 432,000……. 56,000 …… 43,000
        1914 …… 525,000 …… 70,000……. 94,000
        1922 …… 598,177 …… 71,464 …… 83,790
        1924 …… 627,660 …… 74,094 ……. 94,945
        1928 …… 695,280 …… 79,812 …… 151,656
        1930 …… 733,149 …… 84,986 …… 164,796
        1931 …… 760,000 …… 89,000 ……. 175,000
        1932 …… 771,174 …… 90,624 ……..180,793
        1934 …… 807,180 …… 99,532 …….. 253,700
        1935 …… 826,457 ….. 103,371 …… 320,358
        1936 …… 848,342 ….. 106,474 …… 370,483
        1937 …… 875,947 ….. 109,764 …… 386,074

        • Randy Settenbrino

          No one say’s Jews are pure: Jewish men have been marrying non Jewish women since the time of Babylon however, the Jewish male is up to 97% Semitic; so called Palestinians are less Semitic than Ashkenazi Jews carrying Y chromosomes of Bosnians Serbs Circassians Afghans & all others who came as a result of Turks undermining Jewish revitalization Israel + Crusader DNA. Palestinian towns where Jews were forcibly converted e.g. Kozibas match standard high % of Semitic diaspora Jews & many Pales fall below
          50%. The Bible old & new evolved & preserved by JEWS.
          Jews are not European; DNA matches converted jive with former Jews who were forcibly converted in the the Middle East. Jewish Cohanim the priestly class pass on markers, father to son as the bible says verified by Y chromosome. Many Jews have extensive Jewish family trees; some dating back to pre-Temple times. Yes G-D loves all his creatures & Jews don’t claim a monopoly. However what they do claim is: a good human being creates good will for this life & the next.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You total gibberish does not warrant a reply …bye!

  • Helen4Yemen

    If Palestinians are not the natives of Palestine, then please tell me:

    a) who the natives are?
    b) what did they look like?
    c) what language did they speak?
    d) what kind of food did they cook?
    e) what religion did they practice?
    f) how did they dress?
    g) where are they now?
    h) how many of them are there now?
    i) what are they called?

    If the Palestinians are not the natives of Palestine, who is?

    a) Ashkenazi Jews of Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Hungary?
    b) African Jews from Ethiopia, Ugandan, Nigeria, Zimbabwe?
    c) Arab Jews from Yemen, Morocco, Egypt …. and so on?
    d) South American Jews?
    e) Asian Jews from India, Japan, China?

    What is your choice?

  • Shabaka Tecumseh

    DNA sequences as used today by European science is akin to the physical anthropology used in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries to uphold racist theory. You have hundred of thousands of grandparents since the 6th century. So you can pick and choose..

  • Charles N

    Judging by the bent of some of these comments, which may affect the commenter’s openmindedness, I should probably offer an old challenge, which none has of yet managed. Lets get some perspective here, instead of the age old demonisation of the international scapegoat! :)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc6b9a9d22c0c2c1d138d5090c28014833f921181ba85b046f0976618db1390a.gif

    • Helen4Yemen
    • Helen4Yemen
    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/it-is-palestine-not-israel-3001.png
      1) Balfour 1917: His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, on the 2nd of November, 1917
      2) Bertrand Russell: No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? — Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, mathematician, historian, social reformer, and pacifist, 1970.
      3) Bertrand Russell: The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was given by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their number have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? (This statement was dated 31st January, 1970, and he died on 2nd February 1970)
      4) Chaim Weizmann: In its initial stage Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country? The owners of the country [the Ottoman Turks?] must, therefore, be persuaded and convinced that this marriage is advantageous, not only for the [Jewish] people and for the country, but also for themselves. (1914)
      5) Chaim Weizmann: … should Palestine fall within the British sphere of influence, and should Britain encourage a Jewish settlement there, as a British dependency, we could have in 20 to 30 years a million Jews out there – perhaps more; they would … form a very effective guard for the Suez Canal. (1914)
      6) Chaim Weizmann: By a Jewish National Home I mean the creation of such conditions that as the country is developed we can pour in a considerable number of immigrants, and finally establish such a society in Palestine that Palestine shall be as Jewish as England is English or America American. (1919)
      7) Chaim Weizmann: Palestine alone could absorb and provide for the homeless and the stateless Jews uprooted by the war. It is canalized all the sympathy of the world for the martyrdom of the Jews that the Zionists reject all schemes to resettle these victims elsewhere– in Germany, or Poland, or in sparsely populated regions such as Madagascar. (1942)
      8) Christopher Hitchens: In Palestine, tread softly, for you tread on their dreams. And do not tell the Palestinians that they were never fallen upon and bruised in the first place. Do not shame yourself with the cheap lie that they were told by their leaders to run away. Also, stop saying that nobody knew how to cultivate oranges in Jaffa until the Jews showed them how. ‘Making the desert bloom’—one of Yvonne’s stock phrases—makes desert dwellers out of people who were the agricultural superiors of the Crusaders. Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir
      9) Christopher Hitchens: Actually—and this was where I began to feel seriously uncomfortable—some such divine claim underlay not just ‘the occupation’ but the whole idea of a separate state for Jews in Palestine. Take away the divine warrant for the Holy Land and where were you, and what were you? Just another land-thief like the Turks or the British, except that in this case you wanted the land without the people. And the original Zionist slogan—’a land without a people for a people without a land’—disclosed its own negation when I saw the densely populated Arab towns dwelling sullenly under Jewish tutelage. You want irony? How about Jews becoming colonizers at just the moment when other Europeans had given up on the idea?
      10) David Ben-Gurion: The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill-from the Nile to the Euphrates.
      11) Gandhi: And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that they are going about it in the wrong way. The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart. The same God rules the Arab heart who rules the Jewish heart. They can offer satyagraha in front of the Arabs and offer themselves to be shot or thrown into the Dead Sea without raising a little finger against them. They will find the world opinion in their favour in their religious aspiration. There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if they will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-shares with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them.
      12) Gandhi: The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French. If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled? Or do they want a double home where they can remain at will? This cry for the national home affords a colourable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews.
      13) Gandhi: But, in my opinion, they (European Jews) have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism. … Why should they depend upon American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine? July 14, 1946
      14) Gandhi: All I contend is that they cannot possess Palestine through a trick or a moral breach. Palestine was not a stake in the War. The British Government could not dare have asked a single Muslim soldier to wrest control of Palestine from fellow-Muslims and give it to the Jews … By no canon of ethics or war, therefore, can Palestine be given to the Jews as a result of the War. Either Zionists must revise their ideal about Palestine, or, if Judaism permits the arbitrariment of war, engage in a holy war with the Muslims of the world with the Christians throwing in their influence on their side. March 23, 1921
      15) Gandhi: Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French. (Mahatma Gandhi, 26 November 1938)
      16) Jabotinsky (1923): Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence. – Vladimir Jabotinsky
      17) Jabotinsky (1923): colonization carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. colonization can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed.
      18) Jabotinsky (1923): In the second place, this does not mean that there cannot be any agreement with the Palestine Arabs. What is impossible is a voluntary agreement. As long as the Arabs feel that there is the least hope of getting rid of us, they will refuse to give up this hope in return for either kind words or for bread and butter, because they are not a rabble, but a living people. And when a living people yields in matters of such a vital character it is only when there is no longer any hope of getting rid of us, because they can make no breach in the iron wall.
      19) Jabotinsky (1923): But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonized. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of Palestine into the Land of Israel.
      20) Jabotinsky (1923): There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. … it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting Palestine from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
      21) Jabotinsky (1923): There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of Palestine into the Land of Israel.
      22) Jabotinsky (1923): This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies
      23) Jabotinsky (1923): We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached.
      24) Jabotinsky (1923): We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico , and their Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism. In return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.
      25) Larry collins: For the Arabs, and the above all for the 1.2 million Arabs of Palestine, the partitioning of the land in which they had been a majority for seven centuries seemed a monstrous injustice thrust upon them by white Western imperialism in expiation of a crime they had not committed. With few exceptions, the (Arab) Jewish people had dwelt in relative security among the Arabs over the centuries. The golden age of the Diaspora had come in the Spain of the caliphs, and the Ottoman Turks had welcomed the Jews when the doors of much of Europe were closed to them. The ghastly chain of crimes perpetrated on the Jewish people culminating in the crematoriums of Germany had been inflicted on them by the Christian nations of Europe, not those of the Islamic East, and it was on those nations, not theirs, the Arabs maintained, that the burden of those sins should fall. Beyond that, seven hundred years of continuous occupation seemed to the Arabs a far more valid claim to the land than the Jews’ historic ties, however deep. ? (Larry Collins, O Jerusalem)
      26) Malcolm-X: Did the Zionists have the legal or moral right to invade Arab Palestine, uproot its Arab citizens from their homes and seize all Arab property for themselves just based on the religious claim that their forefathers lived there thousands of years ago? Only a thousand years ago the Moors lived in Spain. Would this give the Moors of today the legal and moral right to invade the Iberian Peninsula, drive out its Spanish citizens, and then set up a new Moroccan nation … where Spain used to be, as the European zionists have done to our Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine?
      27) Mark Twain: Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor. I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more. (Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898)
      28) Ronnie Kasrils: The issue of Palestinian refugees resonated with me because I myself was a refugee. … We came to the U.S. in August 1944 as part of a token group of about 1,000 mostly Jewish refugees … In 1987, when I read Simha Flapan’s The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities, I was so shocked and disbelieving that it took me a second reading of his book to come to terms with what he wrote at the outset: that the 1948 war was as needless and unnecessary for the security of Israel as was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon of 1982. I learned that … the 1948 war was not defensive, but a war to gain more territory than the U.N. had allotted for the Jewish state and to cleanse the area of Palestinian Arabs. I learned that even before the May 15 invasion by Arab armies, Jewish forces had succeeded in expelling some 300,000 Palestinians from their homes, but another 400,000 Palestinians remained in areas that the Jews coveted. Since the Jewish population of Palestine in 1948 was only about 600,000, the Ben-Gurion leadership required war in order to rid the new Jewish state of most of its Arab population. (Ronald Bleier, November 1992)
      29) Theodore Herzl: Without preparation, I told Newlinsky that we imagine that Palestine would be given to us for £20 million. Two million would be given to Palestine on the basis of the capitalisation of its present [1896] yield of £80,000 annually. With the other £18 million, we should free Turkey from the Control Commission. Theodor Herzl, founder of political Zionism, 1860 – 1904, from a Personal Diary entry 18 May 1896.
      30) Bible: Exodus 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.Joel 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head. (King James version)

      • Charles N

        The land got the name of palestine SPECIFICALLY because of the jews. Please deny this with historical fact.

        You deny the conditions and attitudes surrounding the mass persecution AND expulsion and confiscations of Jews from Arab lands. An intellectual and moral giant you are.

        You deny the fact that non-jews in palestine were instructed to leave by the 5 neighbouring countries who INVADED israel, creating refugees. And that these were deliberately not absorbed. You are cheap.

        You deny all the times that the Palestinian non-jews rejected offers of a state, including boundaries far far greater than those of the west bank today.

        You also do not mention that the Palestinians received a refugee status unlike any other group in the world, which corroborates their recent immigration into palestine 1882-1948.

        You do not answer the fact that a majority of lands (around 77%) were public lands in the hands of the turks. You are a trickster, a huckster. This info is easily available.

        You continue to deny the fact that there are a majority of brown jews in israel, that ashkenazis have common unique dna traces shared with sephardis, and that they have commonality with near eastern traces. Also the rather glaring fact that many non-jews of the middle east are white skinned. Doh!

        Seriously concerning you are prepared to post highly antisemitic writings from hitler. Unfort for your argument, he readily explains and confirms how ashkenazi jews ARE A RACE!!!!!

        • Helen4Yemen

          Guess what the Jews and the white supremacists have in common? They both claim that the Jews are a race but their motivations are different. The Jews of course have to say they are a race as to claim to be “coming back” to Palestine but when you ask them to name that race, they get shy. The white supremacists of course do not want the Jews whom they hate to be from the same neighborhood, therefore, they deny that they are European but Middle Eastern, David Duke is the first to jump up and denouncing anyone who says the Ashkenaazi are white or Khazars, once again the Ashkenazi love nothing better than one says they are not white.

          I used the Hitler speech because it does have historical significance as it is the very first of his writings where he mentions Jews.

          You can jump up and down and refuse to admit that DNA does not lie and DNA did say that the Ashkenazi = 99.9% European.

          https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          • Charles N

            I am not jumping. You are. The Jews are back in the land.

          • 1abcde

            “The Jews of course have to say they are a race as to claim to be “coming back” to Palestine but when you ask them to name that race, they get shy”

            I don’t think most Jews think they are a race. it seems to me they think they are more of a nationality. When I hear people talk and the topic of nationality comes up folks will say they are Italian, Irish, Polish, Iranian, etc. Jews will always say I’m Jewish.

            I usually ask where their ancestors are from and I get a puzzled look. I have to repeat myself and then they say Poland, France, etc. I then ask why they aren’t identifying as French or Polish then? They seem stumped.

        • Helen4Yemen

          1) You continue to deny the fact that there are a majority of brown jews in israel, Show me actual demographic study from a reliable source.

          2) that ashkenazis have common unique dna traces shared with Sephardi, We do not even know who “Sephardi’ are. Are you referring to Spanish Jews who no longer have their original Iberian DNA but are a mix of ME and other areas. If you are referring to the Arab Jews, then the Ashkenazi at 99.9% European had 0% in common with them.

          3) and that they have commonality with near eastern traces. Do you see the Neil Gaiman DNA report I posted. What is he saying? That he is 99.6 Ashkenazi (Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, Austria …) 0.3 unspecified European and 0.1 East Asian for a total of 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern. What part of that DNA report is not sinking into your head?

          4) Also the rather glaring fact that many non-jews of the middle east are white skinned. Doh! Yes, they are a small minority but what do you think their DNA report would look like? Would it say 99% Middle Eastern or would it say 99.9% European as is the case with all Ashkenazi?

          • Charles N

            When you walked around in Israel (while you were visiting to get a first-hand feel before embarking on a propaganda project that is linked to acts of genocide and terror), you are telling me that a majority had no middle eastern trace?

            And if Ashkenazi Jews (not n=1 cases doh) have some European admixture, plse tell me the circumstances by which they came to be in Europe? What was the treatment of Jews in Syria Palestina from 135AD-1882AD? Or in any other Middle Eastern country? And under what conditions they existed in Europe? Were they perhaps even recognised as a separate NATION ie Israelites, until relatively recently, and therefore not given citizenship of the European countries? Where did the Ashkenazi Jews come from before arriving in Northern Italy? Why the hell did they decide to be called Jews and go thru absolute hell for over 2000 years?

            You continue to ignore the data which shows that Sephardi and Ashkenazi have unique genes in common to each other. And the data that exists that shows that all Jews whether black, white or brown have the same near eastern traces. The very owner of the blog acknowledges their near eastern heritage!!!

            Many Arabs are pretty darn white darling. And yes there have been alot of non-MidEast genetic incursions into the MidEast, including Palestine (non-Jewish Palestinians are made up of possibly 50 ethnicities).

            You still havent dealt with a majority of the problems I raise, and stick to photos of individual white-skinned “99.9%” “European” people who nevertheless are considered legitimate targets by your ideological partners.

            You have never once acknowledged that there are many black and brown Jews. You say that Jeff Goldblum is the only Ashkenazi with Middle Eastern features!!!! That is enough to discount you academically and morally.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “You continue to ignore the data which shows that Sephardi and Ashkenazi have unique genes in common to each other. ”

            Show me like this:

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • 1abcde

            “And if Ashkenazi Jews on average (not n=1 cases) have some European admixture, plse tell me the circumstances by which they came to be in Europe?”

            It’s more than an “admixture” as many studies are now indicating. There may have been a very small minority of ME Jews that traveled to Europe, but the overwhelming amount of the pre-historic indigenous peoples of Europe did a mass conversion. Proselytizing was common back then. The Ashkenazi Jews are Europeans and only Jews in religious identity or they are atheist.

            “Why the hell did they decide to be called Jews and go thru absolute hell for over 2000 years?”

            Why did many religious peoples continue to believe and practice their faith, but were persecuted? Many Jews in Germany converted to Catholicism or Protestantism, but were still persecuted because Hitler wanted to classify the Jews as an inferior race. Same as what you’re doing. Jews are not a race and many Jews would be offended by such.

            Most people who call themselves Jews in America have zero clue on what a Jew is. There was a survey that asked American Jews what a Jew is, or the definition of a Jew. Well over 70% said being a Jew is remembering the Holocaust. This is how clueless these people are. They have zero ME ancestry.

            But for the sake of argument let’s say an Ashkenazi Jew had a small percentage of ME ancestry does that make someone a Jew? So, over 2,000 years ago some ancestors originated in the ME makes some Ashkenzazi in Europe a Jew? Absurd.

            If some Brazilian family’s ancestors originated in Scotland over 500 years ago are those Brazilians that have lived in Brazil for centuries really Scottish? Give me a break.

            Ivanka Trump is a Jew by conversion. Does she have the right of return? or will her children? According to many Jews, someone who goes through the conversion process is considered just as much a Jew as someone born to a Jewish family.

            Again, absurd.

          • Charles N

            Jews recognised as the israelite or hebrew nation by European nations until very recently.
            ME trace common to most Ashkenazis, as per DNA,
            Plus constant identiity as Jews, traceable across European and N.African history.
            Mass conversion of Europeans to Judaism story is interesting. I notice you don’t mention the K word. Or is that your mass conversion?
            Law of return is open to Jews with one Jewish grandparent, even if male. So it is based on race. And religion.
            The term Ashkenazi is used in academic discourse and all over this blog.

            You claim I am emotionally based. Not acknowledging the history of genocide and expulsions directly related to Jews in the land of Palestine, is downright cold, yes. You wanna know how Jews got to Brazil? Shame on you. You think I am emotional because I am writing quickly? This is not emotional. This is values – what is right.

            Further, not acknowledging that the ones who have raised this ruckus have no identifiable identity or attachment to the land as a group, or attachment that comes above that of another group, and have a program of deception and terror in line with a great number of countries who hold sway at the UN, is an inaccuracy that is not just cold, but immoral and has deadly consequences. (I am still not emotional dear friend I am positing this as a direct, real and constant consequence, and therefore as a moral responsibility for your words right here).

          • 1abcde

            ME does not trace common to Ashkenazi. The overwhelming amount of DNA is European. Granted, there are many Jews with direct lineage to the Middle East, but the Ashkenazi (the majority) don’t. Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for over 2 thousand years. They have intermarried and many non Jews converted. There is a thing called assimilation.

            K word? You referring to the Khazars? If so, no I didn’t refer to them because I’m not sure of a connection. There may have been some Khazars that converted to Judaism, but it is unknown how many to a difference. That being said there is ample evidence that the Ashkenazi (meaning German/Germany) were the pre historic indigenous peoples of Europe through DNA. Mass conversion being a plausible theory.

            The Law of Return is not based on race! I gave you one example. There are many more examples, Jews aren’t a race. The overwhelming amount of Jews worldwide would agree they are not a race. You can’t convert to and from a race. There is example after example of Jewish by birth, but not good enough for Israel. Jews who have converted to Christianity are no longer considered Jews by the Israeli Supreme Court. Why? Because it is a religious identity.

            There are many religious peoples throughout world history that refused to give up their faith and stood in the face of persecution. Hitler wanted to spew his propaganda that Jews were an inferior race this way he could blame them for Germany’s ills such as the chaotic economy. There were many German Jews that converted to Christianity to assimilate, but Hitler dismissed the conversion because he needed to play the “Jews are a bad race” card. Look at the Christians being slaughtered in the ME now by Muslims. They could convert, but chose not to.

            I knew an elderly German/Jewish women who’s family perished during the Nazi reign. She survived. Her words I will never forget. She stated “I was proud to be German. There wasn’t anyone more German than me. I spoke German, I cooked German food, I celebrated the German holidays. Living in Germany and being German was everything to me, but because of my faith, my religion, I was told I’m not German. I couldn’t understand why.”

            Now go tell these people that being a Jew is a race. I’m quite sure you won’t like the reaction. That is a very sensitive subject to many Jews. They are not a race. Many of these people assimilated into Germany and converted to Christianity. Some assimilated, but continued to practice Judaism. Make no mistake they were German. Their families living there for many generations. Only to be told by Hitler and the Nazi’s they weren’t really German.

            Shame on you!

            I agreed about the Jews in the ME. I agree there is no such thing as Palestinian people, history, etc. They are Arabs.

            Where I disagree is many European Jews claiming to be Jews from the ME. They are not. As DNA has shown. Ashkenazi are European.

            For you to claim Jews are a race you are promoting propaganda the same way Hitler did. This creates nothing but divisiveness and opens the door for the “inferior race” indoctrination for the Jew haters!

            Shame on you, sir! You’re words have consequences.

          • Charles N

            False. Ashkenazi and Sephardi show common roots and ME roots, whether Hitler likes it or not. I have referenced these here in these comments. The blog owner can assist you with this info or start with wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews They were forced to leave Palestine through expulsion or persecution during various periods. Including by various (invading / occupying) Muslim powers since the jihad or fatah of the 7th to 15th centuries AD. There have been some Jews however living in Palestine almost continually, and history records this also. Outside of Palestine they have intermarried. Record of the diaspora expulsions, communities, their experiences, trials and subsequent multiple migrations (as in “the wandering jew”) is available through history.

            Records of mass conversions of N.Europeans to Judaism is simple pie in the sky. And as a theory, I am pretty sure Occam would balk. As an example, use a bit of common sense based on what we know about relations between Germans (the Visigoths) and Jews living together in Iberia before the Arabic invasion (5th-8thC AD).

            Although some of the maternal lineage is NEuropean, some have seen at least 40% of maternal lineage to be Middle Eastern: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16404693

            False again, @1abcde. Israel has a law of return based on ancestry/descent. For example: “The bottom line is that if your father is Jewish or if any of your grandparents are Jewish from your father’s side – even if you’re a Messianic Jew (who accepts Jesus as their Messiah) – you can immigrate to Israel”. “The petitioners were entitled to automatic new immigrant status and citizenship precisely because…they were the offspring of Jewish fathers.” Jewish atheists make aliyah without a problem. And when I say Jewish atheists, you know exactly what I mean!

            The Jewish religion says they are a nation. By descent. European nations recognised them as a nation until the 19th century. They are a people. And they have a homeland. And sure enough, the return to this homeland was pioneered by, you guessed it, many atheists! It was truly a land without a people and a people without a land. But now you want to jump back into the 19th century and explain to all the anti-semites that Jews aren’t a recognisable people?!!! They can all just put the pitchforks down.

            So many errors, I have to sign out bud. Columbia professor Itsik Pe’er noted after participating in a 2014 study: among Ashkenazi Jews, “everyone is a 30th cousin.” You’re welcome to try farting against this wind: http://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-study-finds/ I’m done.

          • 1abcde

            False. Ashkenazi people tested are showing zero ME ancestry and above 90% European ancestry. More and more testing and advances in DNA prove this.

            The blog owner is a politically correct liberal and Wiki is not a scientific resource. In fact, Wiki is very inaccurate. I’m surprised you would even mention Wiki.

            Mass conversion of Europeans is very accurate. Much like the plausible mass conversion of Romans into Judaism. Proselytizing was very common during those times. So, since the DNA of Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to the pre historic indigenous peoples of Europe than the Levant it makes sense that there was a mass conversion into the religion.

            Again, regarding the Law of Return either you’re naive at best or disingenuous at worst. There are many examples of Jews being denied entrance into Israel for becoming Christian despite having two Jewish parents. This is common knowledge.

            You can’t be Jewish and an atheist. Can you be a Catholic and an atheist? No.

            The Jewish nation (Kingdom of Judah) has no connection to Ashkenazi Jews. None. So far I have yet to meet anyone with direct lineage to Judah. In addition, just about every Ashkenazi Jew that has been tested by 23 and me, FamilyTreeDNA, etc, show 0% ME and well over 90% European ancestry.

            The Jews are a people. Yes. A religious people. Or they were supposed to be.

            Re: cousins. That has nothing to do with the ME, pal. It has nothing to do with race. It was a religious peoples that only married within their religious group. Hence, similar DNA amongst Ashkenazi Europeans.

            Jews aren’t a recognizable people unless you want to go by the stereotype Hollywood puts out. Do you think all Jews look like Woody Allen or whine and complain like he does?

            Being a Jew is a religious identity. But through the thousands of years it has become watered down from intermarriage, converts, assimilation, and atheists who have ruined what it means to be a Jew.

          • Helen4Yemen

            https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/goldblum21.png?ssl=1&w=450

            Where and when did I say Goldblum looks Middle Eastern? I said I do not know of a single Ashkenazi who has ME looks – not one. Show me. And you have got this one dude named Goldblum and he is always mentioned for his ME looks. I do not see it. You see, I am Middle Eastern and I aught to know who does and does not look Middle Eastern. And of all the people on the planet why is it that snow white Europeans at 99.9% European DNA would look ME? Where is the logic in it?

          • Charles N

            When caught lying, lie bigger!

            Unfort u lose the credibility, and our ability to have meaningful interaction.

            :(

            Would love to be there for you. Maybe if you write in your mother tongue you can be more accurate? What is your mother tongue?

          • Charles N
          • Charles N
          • Charles N

            heard of a guy called ben bernanke? yeah try that one.

            trust me, by insisting on going down this road, you are just showing all that you are lying.

          • RoccoBarbella

            Did you get that off “Jew Watch”? That is for satire. Are you putting that up as some kind of scientific evidence of something?

            Jews can look like anyone. Even if you come across a European Jew who has dark features that does not make that individual a Semite or has ancestors from the Levant.

            The thing that has made Jews unique and able to exist is the fact that you had many people convert. Ivanka Trump is a good example. Who is now a full fledged Jew after going through the conversion process. She will raise her children as Jews.

            Ashkenazi DNA is from Europe. The sampling of Jews with ME ancestry or DNA is very small.

            For Ashkenazi people who have been in Europe, and who’s ancestors originated in Europe a thousand years ago, it is absurd to categorize them as Semite’s or Middle Eastern. Absurd!

            This is just a way to make these people feel like they have some magical connection to the Jews of the Bible and Israel. And I’m a big supporter of Israel.

            That being said, I’m not saying that makes them any less Jewish. After all being a Jew is a religious identity, which I understand you disagree with, but if you abandon your faith (Judaism) and become an atheist or a Christian or Muslim than you are no longer a Jew.

          • Charles N

            good example. looks quite like https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35d212fbb7e8c72d9dfe497eab588b9192a11020fcb4e1abee511f82e1c41351.jpg the typical jew in all those anti-semitic middle eastern cartoons.

          • Charles N
          • Charles N

            anti-semitic hate sites! so jews dont exist. but theyre the bane of the world!!!

            you said there were no middle-eastern looking european jews. that is what we are talking about here, not intermarriage over time. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d33ebf0f11ef3ce772cd7daefc33c9f2cd028ea6ad353a42b58f388a312ad5b.jpg

          • Charles N

            heres a good one: they sometimes used jeff chandler to play the roles of american indians or arabs :) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf135983d298f786dd7c48bae90e81afd4f1328eb9eecd47d6be83721f51a51c.gif

          • Charles N
          • Charles N

            simon helberg

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The Ashkenazi Jews, which represent 95% of all Jews, are susceptible to some severe and profoundly debilitating genetic diseases.” https://richardedmondson.net/2014/01/19/are-the-jews-crazy/

          • Helen4Yemen

            Only 5-10% of world Jewry is non-Ashenazi European!

            “Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazim, account for some 90% of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4339595,00.html

            “Ashkenazi Jews, a group that includes more than 90% of the six million Jews living in the United States” http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/1/5/335.full

        • 1abcde

          Jews are not a race. Even Jews will concede this. They are a religious people or supposed to be. The only other people who wanted to classify Jews as a race were Hitler, the Nazi’s and some anti-semitic white nationalist’s.

          Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a race. That is an absurd statement.

    • Helen4Yemen

      https://i0.wp.com/worldpeace365.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/3-idf-asd.jpg

      The Ashkenazi are in fact one of the whitest and purest of any European groups at confirmed DNA results of 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern.

    • 1abcde

      There is no such thing as “Palestinian people”. There is no such language, coinage or anything in history to suggest there was a Palestinian people. That is for sure. They are Arabs. We agree there.

      That being said, the “Ashkenazi Jews” aka Europeans, are not the people of the Levant. They have zero ancestry traced to the Middle East. They are simply the pre-historic indigenous peoples of Europe. They are converts to Judaism. Most, here in the U.S., are atheist or agnostic, but still have the ignorance to call themselves Jews.

      That’s not to say there aren’t real Jew with Middle Eastern ancestry. Of course there is. It just isn’t the Ashkenazi Jews.

      • Charles N

        Unfort science, history and logic doesnt agree.

        • 1abcde

          You’re not using logic. You’re using emotions and feelings.

  • Helen4Yemen
  • Charles N

    Here is some idea of the recollections of Jewish communities across multiple centres and times in non-Iberian Europe. Fascinating reading: http://kehillatisrael.net/docs/learning/ashkenazim.html

  • Charles N
    • Charles N

      and yet everyone can think of a typical, dark-looking jew, especially if you grew up in one of the places which benefitted from their migrating there, such as new york or australia.