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Sen. Elizabeth Warren controversy follow: Almost every American has a sliver of Native American ancestry

Wanting to know your ancestry is a powerful motivator that many DNA testing companies such as 23andMe and Ancestry.com have exploited for great profit. But apart from individual curiosity, genetic studies into our ancestry also offer the ability to peer into the history books, offering a DNA time machine, and a unique window into the history of civilized people.

In the largest study of its kind conducted so far, researchers at 23andMe and Harvard University have published the results of a genetic analysis of ancestry among the American people.

The study itself is quite impressive, conducted with 160,000 people who agreed to allow their data to be used anonymously for research purposes when they submitted their DNA for analysis with 23andMe. Such huge sample numbers, which are “an order of magnitude bigger” according to an author of the study, allows for a much more thorough analysis than ever before, helping the authors produce a detailed geographical map of ancestry in the United States. Three major population groups considered in the study: African-Americans, European Americans and Latinos.

Broadly, the genomic analysis found that on an average the African American genome was 73.2 percent African, 24 percent European and 0.8 percent Native American. Latinos as expected had significantly more Native American ancestry with the average Latino genome being 18 percent Native American, 65.1 percent European and 6.2 percent African.

With respect to European Americans, the percentages are much more different than African Americans or Latinos, with European American genomes being 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. In general, the numbers seem to agree with what one would expect given the history of American colonization by Europeans and their interactions with African and Native Americans.

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It should be noted that these are averages across populations that say nothing about any individual. Any one person could have significant amounts of ancestral DNA from other populations, including ones not captured in these statistics. And increased marriage among ethnic and racial populations will change these numbers over time.

Detailed percentages of ancestry in the various geographical regions showed relatively wide variations in the ancestry which seem to corroborate historical events.

What are the social implications of this study? DNA does not confer identity. The title of Carl Zimmer’s New York Times article on the research “White? Black? A Murky Distinction Grows Still Murkier,” seems to suggest that the genetic data show that racial divides have significantly blurred as populations have mixed

In the United States, there is a long tradition of trying to draw sharp lines between ethnic groups, but our ancestry is a fluid and complex matter.

“We use these terms — white, black, Indian, Latino — and they don’t really mean what we think they mean,” said Claudio Saunt, a historian at the University of Georgia who was not involved in the study.

Geneticist Razib Khan, who is of Indian ancestry, has a different view however (emphasis his):

What genetics is showing is that in fact white Americans are shockingly European to an incredibly high degree for a population with roots on this continent for 400 years. If we removed all the history that we take for granted we’d be amazed that the indigenous peoples had so little demographic impact, and, that the larger numbers of people of partial African ancestry did not move into the general “white” population.

Steve Sailer, a long time writer on race and ethnicity, agrees with Khan, with some quick back–of–the envelope calculations to show how…

…whiteness in modern America turns out to be not very murky at all. These findings of 0.19 percent black and 0.18 percent American Indian are tiny numbers.

Think about your family tree back nine generations ago, which would mostly be in the 1700s. You have 512 slots in your family tree nine generations ago (two to the ninth power). The 23andMe numbers suggest that for the average white American, 1 of your 512 ancestors nine generations ago was black and 1 of 512 was Native American.

Here’s another way to think of it. If the average self-identified black is 73.2 percent black and the average self-identified white is 0.19 percent black, then the average black in America is 385 times blacker than the average white. That doesn’t seem very murky to me.

Editor’s note: This article was originally posted on the GLP on January 7, 2015 and is reposted to provide some context to the controversy over Senator Elizabeth Warren’s possible American Indian ancestry. This story led the Associated Press to design a graphic, below, which helped reader’s in 106 countries that receive the AP feed separate fact fiction.]It is important to note that the study has several potential biases that should be taken into account such as the socio economic status of those who might have purchased the test and, as Carl Zimmer reported in his piece, the fact that people of mixed race are more likely to take the test out of curiosity. Nevertheless, the large sample size lends unique credibility and the trove of data will no doubt continue to yield very interesting results about how the ethnicity of the current American population came to be.

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For now the interpretation of blurred racial divides might not be quite accurate, and as geneticist Razib Khan points out, it might be a many years before all the genetic and ancestry data can be interpreted with any degree of accuracy.  (emphasis his).

But, with the rise in intermarriage and a clearly mixed-race Latino population the lines between the races will become blurred genetically more and more. A substantial number of American children today are multiracial, and that fraction looks to increase. If 23andMe did a survey of American genetics 25 years from now I’d be much more amenable to the interpretation that the media is putting on this survey.

Arvind Suresh is a science communicator and a former laboratory biologist. Follow him @suresh_arvind

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189 thoughts on “Sen. Elizabeth Warren controversy follow: Almost every American has a sliver of Native American ancestry”

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

      This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

  1. While mixed race people may be curious about their ancestry (if it’s not already known), I’d wager that affluent whites are more likely to pay for the service. Without the demographics of the study, this information is of questionable utility. Can’t properly crunch the numbers without a breakdown of the study group.

      • I agree with John. If the participants are skewed toward wealthier participants, and we know already that on average the white population is wealthier than the other groups in the study, the data is really only telling us about the ethnicity of the wealthier part of these populations. The missing variable is the socioeconomic status of each participant. This is not data which is typically collected when you request DNA testing. BTW I was tested by Ancestry and I know they did not ask me anything about my income or wealth level when I ordered the test.

          • I’m “colored” graduated MIT & now I’m a mechanical engineer. What do you do for the living instead of white knighting on the internet? Probably just another hypocritical white who hides behind the achievements of other great men, but don’t have any talents that benefits mankind like the rest of the white knights…

          • Actually it does…. It shows that races are starting to progress. Just because it’s not happening at pace you don’t like doesn’t mean races aren’t progressing, but I’m sure you have another small minded speculation to express for your predictable & primitive bias.

          • That’s over intermingling. Not “progression”. Blacks aren’t suddenly getting smarter in Africa are they? Hell no. You are about 24% European bub. It wasn’t your black roots that progressed you. Sorry, but those are the facts. You all do need to go though because if you don’t what happens is on your heads. You have been warned. Build a boat with your genius intellect and schooling or dance with the rest in the Day of the Ropes.

          • UMMM….In Africa, education is important. Parents stress their children very much so. I know this, because many Africans come to the U.S., and they are very good at academics. The reason isn’t because european ancestry, It’s because of the stress of the parent, and the knowledge of knowing you can succeed.

          • The average African-American is: 69% sub-Saharan African, 29% European and 0.8% American Indian ( Source: ancestry.com )

          • Those are from middle-class samples that include too many mulatto elites. The lower you go in class, the greater the percentage of black DNA AND the higher the crime rate, low achievement scores, etc.

          • Let’s see – which race works 12 hours a day in the hot sun, and owns no books and has no tutors? Which race has tutors, and no labors to distract from scholarship? Tell me, how does God judge vanity and hypocrisy? How will God judge you?

          • Tell that to the colored people who graduated numbers 1,2,3,4 and 5 in my HS class that was 60% white. Just because you say something doesn’t make it sound intelligent. It just makes you look like the freak and jackass you are. 98.6% European admixture isn’t a person, it’s a genetic freak.

          • Really?
            Like the Asians and Indians who do BETTER than whites?
            It’s not your fault that southerners are just too stupid to succeed.
            By the way, the old south was a shithole.

          • So you just post blather. Simple fact checking proves you wrong. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Asians ( Orientals ) are good at copying and conforming. Indians are good at rote and memorization. It is the Whites the explore new frontiers, develop new theories and put their own money into scientific endeavors. Over 90% of Noble prizes have went to Caucasians. Fact check that. Obunghole doesn’t count, he gets elected and he gets handed a prize just for being black,

          • Wow. Oriental is used for food or furniture genius. What you call exploring new frontiers, many call genocide. They were looking for gold dumb ass and enslaved many people. Every race is capable of being intelligent, too bad some fall through the cracks like you did. How do you like that blather?

          • Is it your fault that you think that captives held as livestock, with no money and no education, have no less advantages than you? Nazi propaganda reinforces your egotism and vanity, which is why you buy into it. Do you think you are a Christian? Your politics is a veritable cornucopia of deadly sins.

            Your sins are: pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. Your sense of superiority is pride, your willingness to live on the labor of others is greed, your willingness to rape female slaves is lust (black people are 25% white, which under slavery, means they were raped,) you envy the products of the slaves’ work, which is envy and gluttony, any effort to seek freedom for themselves by blacks rouses you to wrath, and living on the labors of others is sloth. There is NOTHING Christian about a Germanic Rebel. Your so-called patriotism is just a mask of lies drawn over your litany of sins. If you believe in a just God, you should be shaking in your boots, for fear of divine judgement.

    • i think that the average black person, not just “mixed race” people, would be curious about their history, because their family histories have been lost. well, i guess the average “black” person in america IS mixed race. so… nevermind lol

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

      • The hell they do.
        The demographics are from wealthy white people who are a dozen generations domestic.

        I’m 38 and in the Midwest 90% of the white people I have merely met socially let alone been friends with were part North American Indian usually just 2-3 generations from at least 1 full blooded Native ancestor.

        The study was rigged to create the illusion that most white people are over 90% white European and we’re not. I’m easily a 25%+ mash up of Sioux, Crow and Blackfoot but I look like a white guy.
        Look at Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp.
        White guys?
        Not with that bone structure!
        They’re both just a couple generations from a full blooded Native ancestor. There’s just too many of us running around the Midwest, East coast and New England states for me to trust this study.

        About half the white kids I went to school with in the 80s were partially North American Indian and it shows in our features. We don’t get status like Latinos/Hispanics and why?
        We aren’t dark enough but ratio wise I’m just as much native as a Mexican or Argentinian.

        • Your experience in the Midwest is entirely different from my own, and I question its veracity. Fairly few white people in the Midwest or anywhere else in the USA are merely 2-3 generations removed from an indian ancestor, let alone a full blooded Indian ancestor. Absurd.

          Even three generations ago, even in Oklahoma and the Dakotas, for example, there already were not many full-blooded Indians left.

          I know a number of white people born and raised in the Midwest and Upper Midwest who have taken genetic tests, and with one exception they all have ZERO or one percent “Native American” genes. The exception is my friend who had always been told there was an Indian on the family not tooooo long ago, and she came back I think five percent.

          If you are sure you’re heavily native Indian, take a couple genetic tests and find out. If you are, you are wholly atypical among white Americans in the midwest or most of the rest of the country. Not saying it’s good or bad, just NOT at all typical.

          By the way, my genetic tests both show that I’m more than 90% European.

          This is probably typical for whites in America. We need a much larger sample of white Americans whose families came here later, to get a more complete and accurate picture. As we test white Americans whose families weren’t even here until the late 1800s or early 1900s and usually didn’t live near any indian Rez or concentration, such as Italian and Slavic immigrants, the overall Indian genetic contribution to our white population will be revealed as tiny overall.

        • The demographics are from wealthy white people who are a dozen generations domestic.

          No. randomized samples where native Americans are proportionally represented give the same results.

      • There has never been a true and enforceable “one drop rule.” White identity has always been a combination of looks and actions. Do you present yourself as white and act as whites are expected to act?

      • Man made one drop rule.

        Because having black lineage makes you black. Common sense.

        Did you miss the part where the study says average? 95% of white muricans lack black ancestry. That means 5% have it.

        Unlike black americans who ALL have a drop of us in them.

    • My mind is blown that no one is talking about how expensive the service – which provides no tangible benefit – is. These demographics are heavily skewed and likely only describe upper-class Americans. Typical people do not throw away money like this. Poor people – a shockingly large percentage of our population – would never, ever pay for this. What this study shows is that rich white people rarely date minorities.

      No. Shit.

  2. I wonder how many people with say 25% African genes consider themselves “white”? The president is 50% Kenyan, but is described as “the first black president”, I wonder how many people with 1 great grand parent who was African American consider themselves black and how many white?

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

      • And to add to this, the one drop rule determined largely who would intermarry with whom. So you will see families starting in Colonial America being mixed between Africans, Irish/English servants, Indians, but as laws became more restrictive, those mixed people married with black people rather than white people due to social rules. So the fact that when a biracial person was born, that person would go on to marry black, not white, resulted in a relatively high admixed black population and non-admixed white population.

      • That’s “TOO” many. And you are right. I’ve experienced the hatred myself (among other things, from antiwhite hate slurs shouted as African-“Americans” attacked me (twice) or harassed and threatened me (several times)).

  3. A significant part of the white American population descends from recent immigrants. Few of us with ancestors who arrived after the Civil War (and who were born before about 1970) are likely to be anything but European. “White” Americans with colonial ancestry may have non-European ancestry but little of that DNA may remain in their families.

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

    • If depends on how you frame your mind. More than 50 per cent of American kids belong already to the so-called minorities. Besides, to call a person of Greek-German-Albanian-Russian-Palestian… ancestry just white, and by that implying no genetic admixture, is so naive as the non-realistic desire of the Americans to stay ¨white¨ and ¨pure¨.

      • White people just don’t want our countries to turn into the shit holes you black/brown savages came from
        You dumb fuck!
        GET BACK TO YOUR SHIT HOLE COUNTRY YOU WELFARE SCUM.

        • You got all back-to-front. I am from Europe and have traveled a lot. Believe me, for European standards the US nation is pretty black and brown. Even Hispanic countries like Argentina and Uruguay clearly have a larger proportion of whites, which can be corroborated walking the streets of Buenos Aires, Montevideo or any big US city. In short, I am sorry that you hate your own nation that much.

          • Bob Gehrking hates himself. It’s projection. This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

          • can you name one majority non European populated country that is a high trust, low crime industrious and more over nice place to live? Outside of course Japan, South Korea or the other north east Asian populated areas.

          • Chile is a predominantly white country. The large majority of Chileans are majority white, as genetic tests have started to show. There is no real African or Asian presence in Chile, and full or near-full Indians are not even 5-6% of the population.

            UAE? It’s tiny in land mass and population, unrepresentative of and dissimilar to almost all other countries, and has almost no citizens whatsoever. Something like eight million of its nine million residents are noncitizens from other countries, with no voting rights and limited social and cultural clout.

          • So you have repeated the same few talking points over and over. I know my ancestry, its Scottish and English. Do you?

          • Argentina genetically is about 80%-60% European based on the study. And at that it was a very nice place to live in the AGREGATE, especially compared to the rest of Latin America. There are entire regions of the USA now that resemble the 3rd world and would far more if the government money was cut off to these communities to prevent crime and the homeless population from going out of control.

          • Those hillbillies fk their own children, fathers, mothers, they are all on Welfare, and are the kkk and talk big but NEVER serve America in our Armed Forces. This Combat Marine would like to meet these kkk, family fking Traitors to America and ship them to Russia where they all belong. Semper Fi America.

          • Roger that. Tell it like it is brother. I think everyone should serve our country. They will learn the true meaning of brotherhood. U.S. Army 2005-2016. Hooah.

          • They’ll learn the real meaning of being overrated macho dicks — tax-wasting government murderers who kill, maim, and displace men, women, children, elderly, etc., around the world who have done nothing to harm or threaten America. “Hooah” and any other grunt noises you prefer, right back at you.

            The US military is NOT being used to “serve our country” and rarely has been. Wake up and grow up out of your naïveté and your religion of militarism.

          • Yeah? And who is going to defend the country should other countries feel like invading? Wake up dumb ass. While you may want hug and shake everyone’s hand and be brothers, some want to spit at you and take what’s yours. Are we supposed to depend on people like you to defend us? Its an ugly business but someone has to do it. This isn’t freaking Disneyland and there are casualties of war. The number one person who does not like going to war is the soldier. I’d rather be with my family than overseas in some crazy ass country. But since people like you are too chicken shit to serve, we have to go. How can you enjoy the benefits of freedom when you haven’t done shit to earn it? Freaking coward.

          • I don’t trust most peoples and governments in the world, fuckwit. I’m not naive; I’m cynical, realistic, and willing to pay whatever it takes for a real DEFENSE.

            We need a large powerful military to deter enemies, and to quickly retaliate if attacked. Plus even preemptive attack if we have reason to think that we are going to be attacked soon. And yes, we need to be out on the seas and in the air in force, deterring or Destroying pirates and terrorists, keeping the shipping lanes open for oil, gas, and other needed goods.

            Sorry to deprive you of your straw man, grunt.

            All of the legitimate military functions I mentioned above, have little to do with our unconstitutional, nondefensive, and often undeclared wars, including almost every war we’ve gotten into, started, or exacerbated in the past century-plus.

            We don’t have to choose between warmongering aggressive fools looking for a fight around the globe, and not having a powerful defense. There is a middle option, the one the founding fathers apparently would favor.

            You keep carrying the torch for Israel and the “defense” contractors while they spend us into oblivion and kill our guys for their own gain.

            And you, toughtalking braggart, must be pretty insecure to need to insult another man, a stranger, based on a disagreement like that. You also clearly don’t know me, what I’ve done, and what I’m quite willing and able to do to defend myself or my family. Some of the less well-informed military members, who are not secure in their own manhood as well, make the mistake of assuming that only they can be tough or know how to handle firearms well. But many military people, like two members of my immediate family, are much more well informed, logical, and for that matter courteous to fellow Americans.

            Hope your big gun makes up for your small dick.

          • If you’re not a troll, you’re a simpleminded fool with a laughably exaggerated conception of rural white Americans or Appalachian people more specifically.

            Also, I hope that your reasoning about “Russia where they belong” is not typical of US Marines. And your utterly false slander about the rural people hee having sex with their children etc. is shameful.

            Certainly the two former Marines whom we know, exhibit much better reasoning abilities and don’t harbor such hatred against their fellow Americans, rural Americans, or EuropeanAmericans.

            As for Russia, I doubt that you know much about their culture and current way of life — beyond mass-media hysterics designed to whip up dimwits like you to sacrifice our children and waste our resources on pointless nondefensive wars because you are still living in USSR times in your head.

            You’re semper fidelis, alright, to the military-industrial complex that wastes our boys’ lives and our tax money. You’re also semper fidelis to their shills in the media who want to get us killing our genetic and cultural cousns in Russia because “Putin is Hitler” or something. And you are presumably semper fidelis to the beautiful and talented Miss Lindsey Graham and the other armchair warriors.

          • I think you need to learn what “nation” means, as opposed to “country” as a political entity. White European-Americans still love our nation, which is being increasingly displaced in political, economic, and cultural terms in our own lands.

            As for Europe being so much whiter than the USA, that is rapidly coming to an end. I’m horrified at this development, but it means that you are losing that basis for your cockiness and sarcasm against the USA.

          • Funny how incompetent cretins like you always jump to the welfare bull crap. I’m black, graduated from MIT & I’m a mechanical engineer now, but according to degenerates like you, because I’m black that must mean I’m automatically on welfare. How about you try saying something intelligent or are you just an another inferior specimen to your own race hiding behind the achievements of other great men?

          • White country? Be careful what you’re talking about. Those niggers have the same blood you do. Race is genetics, not a contest to see whose grandkids burn fastest in the sun. It is an unacceptable idea that should be exterminated along with all the freaks that were created from such an illegitimate basis. Yours sincerely, American White guy.

        • I’m a white person and let me inform you of two things
          1) you don’t speak for any white person but yourself
          2) white describes ethnic origin, describing most blacks and virtually all white Hispanics. There is no different race describing the freakshow that makes no distinction for ethnicity and thinks of their origins as käse.

          • I’m white and proud of it, and he certainly speaks more for me and mine than you do from what I can tell so far.

            You wrote that some “freak show” — white people? — think of their origins as the german word for cheese? What the hell are you talking about?

            White does in fact describe a race, with fairly wide ethnic, cultural, and linguistic variation within our race.

            Hispanic refers to culture and language, and Hispanics, as you should know, can be of any color of race. Hispanic people who are genetically white European people are, um, part of the WHITE race. We are glad to have them.

        • bob gehrking this reply is to you::YOU GET BACK TO THE MOUNTAIN OF THE CAUCUSUS IN EAST EUROPE WHERE YOU MUTATED FROM THE AFRICANS AND BECAME ALBINO TO WHITE…ALL OF THE WORLD BELONG TO THE BLACKS AND BROWNS..AND YOU WHITES ARE THE GREEDFUL ONES WHO MASTERMINDED A WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM OTHERS WHAT IS NOT YOURS..AND LABELING EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE AND MAKING UP ALIBIS AS IF COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICAS, AND THAT SO MANY SHIPS BROUGHT AFRICANS INTO SLAVERY TO AMERICA…BUNCH OF LIES…YOU FOUND WHAT YOU LABELED BLACKS HERE IN AMERICA NEXT TO THEIR SPOUSES WHAT YOU LABELED INDIANS..YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR LEFT FROM YOUR RIGHT..NO SUCH THING AS INDIANS..THE RACE IS ASIAN…THERE IS ONLY 2 RACES IN THE WORLD AND THAT IS ASIAN AND CAUCASIAN…BECCAUSE AFRICAN IS WHERE YOU BOTH MUTATED FROM…AND OBVIOUSLY THE CAUCASIAN MUTATION IS THE SATANIC GREEDFUL ONE..WHO IS THAT TIRANT OF A KID WHO GOES AROUND STEALING OTHER CHILDREN TOYS..AND THEN AS CORRUPTED AS A SERIAL KILLER, YOU CREATED AN ALIBI TO TELL YOUR MOMMY WHEN SHE GOT HOME FROM WORK, AFTER PLOTTING A SCHEME THAT YOU BROUGH HOME AFRICAN’S TO HELP HER WITH HER HOUSEWORK, AND IN ORDER TO SATISFY YOUR EGOS, INSTEAD OF TELLING HER YOU FOUND THEM RIGHT HERE IN THE LAND…YOU GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME OF YOUR RUTHLESS FRIENDS AND PLOTTED A SHCEME, BY BUILDING BOATS AND FORCING THE INDEGIONOUS PEOPLE OF THE WORLD OF THE AMERICAS WHO ARE WHAT YOU LABELED AS BLACK TO FILL YOUR SHIPS AND CIRLCLED AROUND FOR HOURS AND MADE SEPERATED THEM FROM ONE ANOTHER SO THAT THEY COULD NOT GET TOGETHER TO TELL THE TRUE STORY THAT YOU PICKED THEM UP FROM RIGHT HERE IN THE AMERICAS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DESCENDANTS OF AFRICA, JUST AS ARE THE ABORIGANIS OF AUSTRALIA AND THE SO CALLED AMERICAN INDIANS WHO ARE ALSO THE AFRICANS WHO MIGRATED TO ASIA AND WERE MUTATED TO MORE HUMANE PERSONS THAT YOUR EUROPEAN MUTATION OF SAVAGES, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CAUCUS MOUNTAINS, YOU KAAZARS..IS WHAT YOU ARE, WHEN YOU AND THE ROMANS PLOTTED TO RULE THE WORLD BECAUSE YOU WERE OUTNUMBERED BY THE SO CALLED BLACKS IN THE AMERICAS AND ISRAEL, THAT YOU ALSO INVADED WITH YOUR LIES AND CORRUPTED THE ORIGINAL BLACK AND BLROWN HEBREWS…CHRIST WAS BLACK AND MOSES AND MARY AND ALL THE PROPHETS..BLACK AS YOU CALL IT WITH YOUR LIMITED VOCABULARY ARE THE HOLLIEST OF ANCESTORS….AND YOU STRIP THE TRUTH FROM THE BOOKS OF HOLLY TO COVER UP THAT THE PROPHETS WHERE BLACK…AND YOU RECREATED JESUS LINEAGE TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HIS GRANFATHER AND MOTHER WERE BLACK…AND THEN YOU CRUCIFIED HIM..BUT LITTLE DID YOU KNOW THAT THE FATHER OF THE UNIVERSE SAVED HIM FROM YOUR EVIL CRUCIFICTION…
          THEREFORE YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SAVAGE MOUNTAINS OF THE CAUCUSES AND CONTINUE TO EAT YOUR FECIS…

          • Then why haven’t the almighty Blacks in Africa graduated beyond mud huts and little else? LMAO FOH with your retarded Ness. South Africa was a near model nation when mostly whites ran it. Look at it today. Look at Africa. A mess after all these generations of black rule. THE northern end, where Arabs, Jews, and other whites live though is flourishing. Get real. The average IQ of black people is 60-80 in the mean. 70 is retarded. The really smart blacks are in the upper of all brackets however. You’re not in that bracket clearly, you all caps moron. No, whites did not cone from you damn apes. Ironically most apes ARE smarter than the average Black person with 80 IQ’S. You’re a friggin joke at best.

          • If Africa is so bad why can’t you WHITE people stay out of there ? You’ve never been to Africa so how do you know how it looks ?? you only see t.v commercials. You white people are always demeaning other races but its been proven that the human race started from BLACK people. BLACKS would have been surpassed you albino fuckers if it wasnt for yall oppressing us. oh and btw the Egyptians were BLACK people and they built pyramids so what now ??

          • The Egyptians who built the pyramids were not black Africans.
            If other races evolved FROM blacks, where does this leave the original population?

          • Oh the Egyptians are Blacks now? LMAO OK bub. That’s a lie you dummies tell yourselves because you have accomplished so little on the grand chessboard. It was Egyptians a few years ago, da tru Jewz now, the tru Olmecs, and every other damn race but black before that. North Africans are NOT black nor do they share any DNA with Blacks. They are Arab and Mediterranean, caucasoids. The only people oppressing blacks is blacks currently and mainly with these tired oppression Olympics you try to put off on every other race. I HAVE been to the Middle East and Africa and it is a shithole, mainly lower Africa. The only built up areas were built by whites or now the Chinese since you Sterling minded “true progenitors” of us all can’t build a simple railroad or keep electricity going. Facts are a hard thing for you folk to swallow when faced with them though. Fact is: You have the lowest IQs and contribution to society for a reason. You have displayed it in spades here just now, tru Egyptian Kang. Lolololol Cultural appropriating trash.

          • You haven’t read much about the people of ancient Egypt, then, or noted the eye color and hair color in drawings and masks depicting their royalty back then.

            You don’t seem to know what albino means. Very few people in the world are albinos.

            Y’all is spelled with an apostrophe, Ta-Genius Coates.

            Lastly, many of us who have learned to have a dim view of dim and dangerous Africans, have quite a different view of other non-white races, on balance.

            My wife is Asian, for example, and I’m never demeaning her race, let alone “always.” Yet I wisely never considered marrying an African, notwithstanding “WE WUZ KANGS” and all….

          • May I suggest:

            1. Using Paragraphs
            2. Using Lower-case letters occasionally
            3. Seeking psychotropic medication or psychotherapy
            4. Learning to spell
            5. Learning the first damn thing about genetics

            Genetic tests easily identify and distinguish between more than two races of people. But maybe if you say in capital letters that there are only two races, then there will be only two races.

          • Proportional to their share of the national population, are white Americans on welfare more or less than other racial groups? I think you know the answer.

        • Thats funny ince your ancestors left their Shithole countries in Europe with their Shit and Piss streamed streets, with their diseased bodies from the bubonic plague and VDs, came to a NON-WHITE continent like the White Savage hordes they were and aded the America, that belonged the Native Americans to infect and muder them . America has never belonged to white horde, because the Bative were the indigenous group, and the only true ethnic Americans.

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

      Also people need to stop calling things PC just because they don’t like it. People are throwing around the word PC to the point where people don’t even understand what it means anymore and it no longer makes sense. And I hate to break it to you, America is in fact browning. You can always move.

      • Move where? All the white countries in Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand are being overrun by third world peoples. Rape and crime continue to rise and those that oppose it are imprisoned or loose their job. We will become a North American Brazil with nuclear weapons.

          • Don’t blame the euros for what smallpox did. Also Mongol’s, Turks, Moors and Arabs did the same to Europe long before.

          • one could say that for blacks, them being far more likely to develope rickets… idiot… fighting racism with racism only breeds more racism.

          • No chance of rickets if you eat a balanced diet. On the other hand, not much to beat skin cancer except stay out of the sun.

          • Ya, a balanced diet full of artificially infused vitamin D, Milk being a big one. Seems like another artificial means of adapting would be sunscreen. Very Few people develop rickets but blacks are far more likely to develop it. very Few people develop melanoma but whites are far more likely to develop it. Not much to beat skin cancer my ass.

      • And to your point and that of the article, these results themselves are based on 160,000 people in this study. There are 300 million people in the USA, so who knows how “white” some of these white people really are?

        • There are a lot more than 300 million people in the USA. But in any event, genetic testing tends to show that white people in the USA are overwhelmingly European. Let’s see as the databases grow.

    • White Americans of different ethnicities certainly have NOT stuck within their own groups. There was and is a successful melting pot of all white Europeans in genetic and cultural terms in the USA. It made us a stronger, more interesting country without balkanizing us.

  4. It’s easy to explain these numbers: once a white person has offspring with a non-white person, the children are no longer considered white by the majority of whites. This is essentially what the white-supremacist “one-drop” ideology was all about.

    Most likely, these children will become part of another group identity, for example Black American (if the non-white parent was Black) and will marry a person of that group. You won’t find their traces among the current white population, since they were previously outcasted by whites and became part of e.g. the black community.

    That’s why on the other hand, so many people who are categorized as Black American (African-American) have significant traces of admixture with white, but such a person would not considered to be white, even if two-thirds of his/her genetic makeup would be of white European ancestry.

    • This might be true of people of mixed Black and White descent but less so in the case of children from White/Asian marriages. There is a tendency for people of mixed White-Asian descent to be viewed as ‘White’ (well, maybe not by the Stormfront crowd but by members of the general population) and to see themselves as White as well. I suppose that might depend as well on factors like appearance, the family’s retention of Asian cultures or languages, place of residence, etc., but I don’t think the ‘one-drop rule’ is anywhere as strong when it comes to mixed White-Asian people.

        • True. Except for people like my wife, who married me several years after arriving in the USA and has had several children right away. They are certainly outnumbered by other immigrants who don’t soon marry a white American (or have a child marry one), but there are a sizable and growing number of people in her situation.

          Overall, of course, your characterization is right.

      • Excellent observation, Emilia. I’m a proud white American tired of taking flak because I’m white, genetically tested more than 90% European, and politically a nationalist to boot.

        My wife is Asian, and our children are half or a tiny bit more than half white. Neither my family nor my friends view this or react as if many of them would if the lady were African. And without trying to be unkind to all the reasonably intelligent, decent, honest, civilized, etc., Africans and African-Americans, that distinction makes some sense and we shouldn’t shrink from saying so.

      • Native Americans could of assimilated and became white if they wanted to assimilate with whites, but they never wanted to, thats why you wont see any light skinned Native American calling themselve White. You only see wannabes calling themselves White Natives, but they are fakes. A true Native raised with his tribe, who speaks his language calls himself Native American.

    • You came to the same conclusion I did. These percentages make sense given America’s history, which the researchers seem little informed about. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

      • White Americans do not have Native American DNA across the board . Only 2 1/2 percent of those tested for the study had any at .18 on average. Hardly all Americans. Maybe you should read the actual study , instead of trusting blogs to inform you of facts.geez! Thats why you see youtube video after video of wannabes wanting to know where their supposed NA dna went!

  5. So how exactly does this article educate on genetics? All I see is a discussion of “social implications.”

    All this means is that we tend to define obviously biracial folks as non-white, and have done so for generations.

    Where is the URL of the study quoted here so we can look at the data and compare to other studies on the same subject?

    • Hi,

      Since we can no longer reply in the discussion we were having on tracing Jewish ancestry through genetics, I thought I would send along an article that my Uncle who is producing the film called “Children of the Inquisition”. His website is http://www.lovettproductions.com and he has websites and facebook pages on his films, “Going Blind”, “Traveling While Black”, and “Children of the Inquisition”. Have you seen the film about Deaf performers, produced and directed by Hilary Scarl (I think that’s her name.) I think it’s called “Can you see what I’m Saying”. I have bad Chemo Brain. I
      went with a friend to it’s opening in NYC in April 2010. They have a great website and are on FB.
      Children of the Inquisition

      March 16 ·

      This community is featured in Children of the inquistion!

      Jamaica hopes Jewish tourism can help fading community

      KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) — It’s Saturday morning at Sha’are Shalom, but there aren’t enough Jews gathered in the dim light of Jamaica’s only synagogue to…
      http://news.yahoo.com/jamaica-hopes-jewish-tourism-help-fading-community-045504381.html
      news.yahoo.com|By DAVID McFadden

    • Wow. You came to the same conclusion I did. These percentages make sense given America’s history, which the researchers seem little informed about. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

  6. I’d love to see a gallery of photos of each individual person’s face along with their genomes highlighted in this article. It’d be neat to see exactly what “73.2 percent African, 24 percent European and 0.8 percent Native American” looks like compared to different genomes.

        • Not sure if you’re racist or misinformed? But human races are not the same as dog breeds due to having a completely different genetic plasticity.

          http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=12298

          http://io9.com/5925024/why-eugenics-will-always-fail?trending_test_b&utm_expid=66866090-62.H_y_0o51QhmMY_tue7bevQ.2&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

          This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And this is from having very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

          • LOL @disqus_ibPBXPTx4j:disqus. Thanks for being so polite about it. I am neither racist now misinformed. This study just got me thinking about what unknown genes I and many others likely have in our DNA and it would be neat to see headshots of people with different percentages of difference races in their genes and see the similarities and differences between each.

            I think it’s fascinating how certain races have unique characteristics like large nostrils or long faces or long legs, or blonde hair, etc. and how, since we’re all “mix-breed” (not with animals, with different races of humans, I was trying to be funny when I said that…), we carry many different features from many different races. It’s one thing to just look at the numbers and see, oh, I’m 4% irish or whatever, but it’s another to see how that 4% irish translates to actual physical, or otherwise, characteristics.

            I will never forget the one day I was working at Tim Hortons and a customer asked me if I was English and Scottish. I said, yes, and asked how he knew. He could tell by my facial features. Isn’t that wicked?

          • But certain features do, indeed, become evident across lineages[phenotypes across haplotypes]. Skin color, for example, is a codominant trait; melanocyte activity is going to be “averaged” out across the alleles that are inherited.
            We’re not dogs and we don’t have to be in order to play by the foundations that have been set out by our creation.

      • What is it to you? If ancient African Americans aka Hebrew Israelites (The Chosen People) were not stolen from their native land to build the New America which gave Whites and Jews economic privileges…..race mixing would not have occurred! It’s not like they volunteered to procreate with you. Stop being angry at African Americans and blame the Power structure which are the Jews for using them as a Pawn in a Dirty Chess Game!!!!! and creating racism to begin with. At the end of the day, they don’t give a damn about you either! Don’t be so concerned about facial features and different phenotypes…it’s counterproductive.

        • We wuz kangs (n chozenites, kuz)

          Historically illiterate sheboon. You fucking niggers really are grasping at straws here. Just accept it – you’re the missing link. You don’t have great civilizations. You’re not capable of advanced society. The only time your people every were a part of something grandiose it was as slaves. You literally have to be beaten to act civilized.

          Don’t believe me? Check out the latest Wuuuurllllllllstarrrr video or liveleaks vid.

          • If you read the article, you will see that nigs imcludes most white people. The article also states that the nigs have a high proportion of white ancestry. This means you are probably just a nigger complaining about white people who age better and can stay outside in the sun for longer periods. You can hate black and brown all you want but a few things:

            1) your idea of a white race does not in fact exist.
            2) White skin will be a relic of the past. Trying to create skin tone and hair texture consistent with a perceived subrace is an element of our history but no SUNBURN TAINTED FREAK is turning my ancestry into provolone cheese.

          • First, Google meta-population. My folk do exist.

            Second, I’d rather be slightly more prone to sunburns than have subpar intelligence

            Third whites age better – black usually die young

            Last, black lives don’t matter

          • “Whites age better.”
            HAH! White women burn out in their thirties and are husks of their former selves in no time flat.

          • Agree with all of that except the last. That’s unnecessary and wrong.

            I’m tired of hearing their excuses, threats, complaints, and ignorant nonsense, but we shouldn’t be saying that a whole class of human beings just doesn’t matter. I would like them to be somewhere else, not harming us and bringing down our country, and I would then wish them the best, encouraging profitable trade and tourism in both directions.

          • “I’m tired of hearing their excuses, threats, complaints,”. Do you not see the irony of your statements?

    • These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

  7. White means not black for the Americans.What “white” means compared to Europeans who posess some non-European mixtures of Arabs and mongoloides? Southern Europeans have sometimes not so white skin.

    • Yes. The definition of white and black varies across the world which makes the conclusion by the researchers flawed.

      These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

    • You could use Hitler style racism. He had cheese in mind when he formulated his racial idea: the great mozzarella. He made a distinction between different white groups in Europe. For instance there was a Mediterranean race which was superior to African but inferior to Mozzarella.

      What do you call a white woman having a black baby? One less piece of white garbage to exterminate once the Americans take over from the freaks.

  8. These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

    This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

    • How many times did you post the exact same thing[like, verbatim]? I count like eight times.
      Not that the input isn’t appreciated; but you can only use up so much bandwidth saying the same thing.

  9. Not done mine as I am female no brothers and father passed away. But a same name cousin has a 28% Mediterranean background. That must be unusual for a native Kentuckian.

  10. “white Americans are shockingly European to an incredibly high degree for a population with roots on this continent for 400 years.”

    Fool didn’t consider that whites who cannot trace ancestry to before 20th century would have limited Native American admixture.

  11. I always thought “melting pot” meant that we were several different European countries mixed together not European/Black and Native. I would not have thought or expected there to be a big mixture of those three. However, when it comes to the Europeans that mixed, we really did get a good variety. So, now, we are all AMERICAN folks……..White/Red/Black/Yellow or otherwise………It’s time to get beyond the skin color and just be glad for all the cultural things we can learn from one another. There’s my “two cents” on the subject.

  12. This is highly deceptive when you consider they used white Americans who specifically go back a dozen generations!

    I live in North East Ohio and in my life out of the hundreds of people I have met and had long conversations with, far more had North American Indian ancestry than did not. Ancestry that is just 2 to 4 generations back meaning even though we’re white we are at least 6.25% Native American or more!

    I can think of dozens and dozens of white people I have met or known over the last 25 years that are all part Native American along with those who are not.
    You’re in a room with 20 sometimes 30 people at a party, it gets brought up and what happens?
    90% of the room is “hey I am too!”

    This study is bullshit because they specifically used white Americans that are a dozen generations domestic which means one obvious thing.
    These are the people who in many cases still only marry and breed with white people who are purely European or 95%+

    Nice try assholes but there’s no discrediting the culture where I live and my empirical observation. The mere assertion that most white Americans are over 90% white European is absolutely absurd.
    This study was rigged.

    • No. When those acquaintances in large numbers take genetic tests, ask for the results.

      Please see my earlier comment above. There weren’t many full blooded Indians left in the USA 2-3 generations ago already. Even many tribal chairmen and councilmen are majority white European genetically, and look it, and that’s been true on many a Rez for a while.

      There are parts of the USA where a higher percentage of white people have meaningful (though usually not very large) Indian genetic contribution, such as the Dakotas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and to some extent parts of Montana, among others. These are mostly rural, relatively sparsely populated areas, however, and are FAR outweighed by the great bulk of the white population that has little to no Indian ancestry.

      There are tens of millions of full/part-Italian and Slavic Americans, for instance, whose families didn’t even come to the USA until after most of the opportunities to mate with full or near-full Indians were gone.

      In addition to other white ethnic groups, I’m both Italian and Slavic genetically. I have ZERO percent and speculative less than one percent Native American genes according to two popular tests, respectively. This is true of EVERY person I know who is Italian and/or Slavic American, and many of our relatives and friends have taken the tests and discussed them with each other.

  13. this study is most likely correct.take this into consideration:people who are white will be as this study says.white people can not mix with any other non white people and produce a child that is white.this is due to the fact that the gene that makes a person white is not a dominate gene its recessive.this is the reason any white racist who wants to make sure that white people stay on this planet are 1000% opposed to mixing.This is the reason for White supremacy!they will cease to exist if they didn’t have this global system in place.white people make up about 20% of the people on the planet.white supremacy is the system of the planet.okay a lot of comments are saying this race that race.Who told you that you belong to a race?White Supremacist made the up white white being at the top and black being at the bottom.Black people are the biggest threat them genetically.let me stop here because if you Do not understand white supremacy then what im stating will not make any sense to you.people think its, a dont like this group of people somebody saying racial slurs or is just the kkk.

  14. will zimmer the jew mix his blood line; typical zionist of course not, they segregate jews at birth from non-jews in Israel. Europeans need to protect their culture and breed only with other whites I see no problem with this why should whites feel guilty about their skin colour. Europeans wish to live with their own kind then its to be applauded

  15. 400 years from now it will probably be the same. White people still tend to gravitate towards European based groups. To most white people if you are over 60% European you are white.

  16. Its not surprising that the test reveals very low levels of non-European DNA in White Americans. Those with the extra money to take this test are going to be more affluent and less likely to be in the socioeconomic groups likely to intermarry with non-Whites. Working class people are in my experience far more likely to marry someone of a different ethnicity than those in higher income brackets. In my experience. Hopefully more studies will add insight to this important topic.

  17. If immigration levels to the USA were to be reduced to the levels of most of the 1900s ( less than 500,000 per year), the Latino population would be largely absorbed into the White population as most Latinos are already about half European in origin or majority European

  18. The USA’s current population is dominated by people who arrived in this country during the last century. They haven’t had time to blend much into the pre-existing population.

    If this study were confined to decendants of Americans who lived here 200-400 years ago, the results would be strikingly different

    • The first paragraph is just not that accurate anymore. Time marches on. Italians Ike my mother’s family, Slavs like part of my father’s family, and non-British white immigrants generally, have massively intermarried with the older founding groups (by which I mean the English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and to a lesser extent French and Germans).

  19. So it appears that Pocahontas Lizzie Warren has less Native American blood than the average European American. According to the Boston Globe, she has 1/1024 Native American. That is less than .098 percent.

    • The problem with the statistic that you are quoting is that the distribution of the amount of Native American genetics in European Americans is far from a normal distribution. There are many many many people with NO Native American genes and some few with substantial (and less than substantial) amounts. It’s like averaging income – some are super wealthy and many are just getting by. Since we don’t know the distribution we can’t say anything about what percentile Sen. Warren falls in.

  20. This article is nearly 4 years old, cites a study older than the article, has no top-tier geneticist informing it, commenting on it, or saying what is newer than minimum 4 years ago.

    It was published at a politically fraught time to undermine a test done by a top tier geneticist, an expert in his field, who knows 23andme well because he was an advisor to the company.

    This article is not science. It’s political at its core.

  21. One of the most celebrated holidays in the nation is St. Pat’s day when masses of people celebrate the wearin’ of the green, and many find some joy and satisfaction in being a small bit Irish in one way or another. In terms of how full Irish Unc considered membership in being Irish on that favorite holy day, even Trump would quality —as Unc was wont to say; “Anyone can be Irish, we have no standards.”

  22. Interesting…so Ms Warren is less than one drop native indigenous American, and supposedly checked the “Native American Indian” box for a college application. If this is true, it would seem that she possibly did get a preferenced admission to college. I wonder if that could be done by anybody with such a tiny bit of Native American, or if it only applies to US citizens.

  23. The 23 and me study did not say ALL Americans have Native American ancestry or dna, it said that the one in the study had on average .18 percent Native American dna on the European testees, and that only 2 1/2 percent of the European testees had any. Thats a far cry from “All Americans have .18 Native American DNA”.

  24. The biggest sham in human history is the idea that we can categorize the genetics of people of different races. I often assume that the white scientists who invent this stuff have a vested interest in keeping the racial categories somewhat distinct. These genetic test remind of the old medical routines where the size and measurement of the skull was a key factor in determining intelligence. What’s even stranger is that they are using it to discuss ancestry even though all the DNA used if from people from the same time frame. There is zero ability for them to examine the DNA of our so called ancestors.

      • Really. How many dna samples do you get from 10,000 years ago? You sound ridiculous. It’s like selecting 3 people on every content and then saying those three people represent the entire population. The main problem with that is that they make modern assumptions about people living thousands of years ago. And usually they turn out to be incredibly wrong.

        Point in case, homosaphians killed off the Neanderthals now it’s they inter bred, Greeks purposely made all white statues because white was so pretty and sophisticated now it turns out they painted their statues, Micheal Angelo purposefully made muted colored images on the Sistine chapel because those colors were better. Turns out the paintings were extremely vibrant.

        White scientists often get the ancient world and other cultures wrong because they view it through their white biases. Even now they don’t have enough data to accurately tie anyone to a historical geographic area but they run around presenting it as accurate and scientific. And get the ignorant spending money on these ridiculous dna tests to reveal their ancestry. On top of all of this, knowing ancestry is a meaningless endeavor. It tells you nothing relevant about who you are. It’s a childish act to ground something in the present in an ancient past that no longer exists which defeats the purpose of being in the present.

  25. A lot of commenters coming in after Liz Warren’s testing clearly don’t understand the science. Liz Warrenstype of “indigenous American” genes ARE shared by over 80% of Americans. It is some fragments of mdna that is distributed ALL over Europe and central and northern Asia.

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