GMO Myth: Farmers “drown” crops in “dangerous” glyphosate. Fact: They use eye droppers

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As a farmer, I have to laugh sometimes; it’s all I can do when I run across this sort of misinformation supposedly telling me about how I run my farm. There are people out there who truly believe that we farmers douse, drown, drench or saturate our crops in chemicals, glyphosate to be more specific. Anti-GMO campaigners, organic activists and irresponsible news reports use those phrases all the time (see here, here, here, here). In graphic form it often looks something like this meme from GMOFreeUSA pictured above.

Really?

Does GMOFreeUSA actually think we load up big tankers of herbicide and drown our crops with the stuff? First, they don’t understand the meaning of the word drown; second, to really drench a crop we would have to use one of those big tanker airplanes they use to fight forest fires. The video in this link, for example, would qualify as a drenching, probably not a drowning. Sorry, that simply is not what we do on a modern farm.

In fact, it couldn’t be farther from the truth.

Anti-GMO meme

Anti-GMO meme

Planting season has arrived in Iowa, and I’ve been applying herbicides to prepare for planting. On our no-till ground—the most sustainable form of agriculture, and it’s been made possible by the use of GM crops—we use a combination of glyphosate, 2,4-D, and depending on crop either metalachlor for corn, or on soybeans it’s a pre-packaged mix of chlorimuron, flumioxazin and thifensulfuron. On our tilled ground, we leave out the glyphosate and 2,4-D, as it’s not needed because tillage kills the weeds that are present.

So, what about this drowning we’ve been reading so much about? On our corn ground, before planting we apply 16 ounces of Glyphosate, 8 ounces of 2,4-D, and 48 ounces of metalachlor per acre. To put that in perspective, it’s a little more than half a gallon of herbicide spread out over an acre, or roughly the size of a football field.

For soybeans, it’s even less. We start with the same 16 ounces of glyphosate and 8 ounces of 2,4-D,

Anti-GMO meme

Anti-GMO meme

but add 2.5 ounces of the pre-packaged mix. The pre-mix is a dry ingredient, so we’re putting on a pint and a half plus a couple tablespoons worth of herbicide on that same football field sized area.

In other words, per square foot, on the corn ground we apply what amounts to 1/3 of a drop per square foot. On soybean ground it’s approximately 1/12 of a drop per square foot. We’re not “drowning” plants in pesticides; we’re using what amounts to eyedroppers. What we do is a misting and not a “dousing”.

Let’s look a little closer at our goals. Believe it or not, most farmers try to minimize total herbicide use. Yeah, that’s right. We don’t have a special love for applying herbicides. They can be expensive, it takes resources of time and fuel to apply them, there are crop rotation issues for some herbicides and they are not sustainable, which is one of my big concerns and a concern farmers that I know.

To look at a specific example in our operation, we have two farms that we rented about 4 years ago. They has been used by another farmer who had raised continuous corn, applied liquid manure and used a minimum of two tillage passes between crops to loosen the soil, size and bury the residue and control weeds. That all changed when we took over the farms.

We started no-tilling, meaning we use not full-width tillage. Only the shanks of the nitrogen applicator and the planter disturb the soil. During the transition time, we aggressively managed weeds through herbicides. We made multiple passes, usually three per year, and used multiple modes of action. The goal was to eliminate weeds so they don’t have the ability to produce seed. Once the weed seed in the top several inches of soil have germinated and those weeds controlled, our job gets much easier.

Anti-GMO meme; No serious health issues have been linked to glyphosate according to the EPA and EU

Anti-GMO meme; No serious health issues have been linked to glyphosate according to the EPA and EU

Four years later, we are nearly at the finish line. We had some grass creeping in from the field edges that we needed herbicide to control, but as I planted that field, I could have pulled every weed in that field and fit them in one five gallon bucket. That’s over 120 acres and probably less than one weed per acre. No burn-down herbicide was needed, and we will likely only have to use one herbicide application to control weeds in that field this year.  On those farms, we will likely not use glyphosate even though we have glyphosate tolerant corn planted in that field this year.

A couple pints and a few spoonfuls of herbicide sure doesn’t sound like a drowning to me. Maybe GMOFreeUSA and other dedicated anti-GMO campaigners have a different idea, but they really need to get out and see what farmers really do. It’s not at all what they think.

So next time you’re at Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks picking up an extra large of your favorite coffee, that’s approximately the amount of herbicide we spread on a football field sized area of a field.

Dave Walton, a contributing columnist to the GLP, is a full-time farmer in Cedar County, Iowa growing GM and non-GM corn, soybeans, alfalfa and pasture on 500 acres of the world’s most productive soil. Follow him on twitter at:[email protected].

  • RobertWager

    Facts not fear, Thank you

  • Anti-GMO organic activists think all farmers are stupid, and that they’ve been duped into blindly doing whatever multinational ag-corporations tell them to do, like wasting money “drowning” their crops in herbicides.

    Remember, the mantra of the organic industry is, “It isn’t what you spend, but what you don’t spend.” Of course what they leave out is the fact that all the money organic farmers don’t spend on crop inputs goes into certification fees and organic royalty payments.

    • Tim Taylor

      Farmers are stupid. I know. My dad sprays this stuff on everything as an industrial farmer. He hasn’t a clue as to what the impact is. And he doesn’t care because the system forces him to do so or lose his farm.

      • The system forces him to do so. You’re a rank moron, aren’t you Tim? You sound like a college freshman. The system… yeesh.

        • David Smith

          Why do you get so insulting when someone makes a comment you don’t like? Please don’t do it.

        • Tim Taylor starts his comment with “Farmers are stupid” and you say I’m insulting? Sorry then, YOU’RE the moron.

      • So your dad is stupid? I didn’t know people could forcibly make him farm a certain way. Shame. In Canada we have choices.

      • Randall H.

        Did you arrive at this conclusion using scientific methods?

        Your comments on this thread are not only unscientific, but downright juvenile.

        Your personal insults, especially when directed at your father, are not impressive whatsoever.

      • Judy Nonarchi

        “Farmers are stupid.”
        Wow.
        Sure hope YOU have something to eat other than what is raised by our “stupid” farmers.

  • mem_somerville

    It’s so refreshing to hear from farmers themselves on this.

    • David Walton

      Thanks mem. It’s why I joined the discussion.

      • RobertWager

        This debate needs far more farmer input.

    • Tim Taylor

      WTF does a farmer know about science or food safety?

      • Hmm… let me think. Oh yes… I know. EVERYTHING!

        • JOHN BISCIT

          Farmers know enough to know that they shouldn’t be poisoning our crops that consumers have to eat

          • You don’t know anything about the toxic poisons used in organic agriculture, do you John?

          • JOHN BISCIT

            You have been brainwashed into believing that since the government agencies approve more and more toxins to be included in the category of “organic” treatments that magically these toxins become organically safe.
            No a toxin, poison or non natural treatment is not true organic.
            Toxic poisons are not used in true organic agriculture.

          • You’re confusing synthetic processing aids which have recently been included on the NOP organic list (and which are not toxic by the way) with highly toxic natural substances like pyrethrins which have been used for decades as perfectly acceptable “organic” pesticides.

            It wasn’t a government agency which convinced the organic industry to accept pyrethrins. It was the other way ’round.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            “You’re confusing synthetic processing aids which have recently been included on the NOP organic list ”
            It is of no consequence either way- these are all noxious toxic poisons that have no place in organic farming. No matter which way you twist words and meanings around any subsatance humans manipulate to kill bugs or plants is not organic.
            And don’t forget the government is ultamately responsible for how regulations are decided. Ordinary farmers have little say. However big AG can and did influence the agencies to accept toxic poisons as organic susbstances. This was solely to ensure profits and business survival would continue.

          • I used to think like you my friend. But the world isn’t that simple. You can’t simply divide things into good and bad based on whether they’re natural or whether some federal agency approves of them or not.

            When you realize the millionaires running the organic industry are no better than the ones running government and corporations like Monsanto, that’s the day you’ll finaly be free.

            All the best.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            I don’t really know if you thought like me or not but the way I think now is the same way I thought 40 years ago. That is:
            I live in a democracy and I take advantage of that. Particularly, I am free to choose so I choose true organic farmers in my area with a small carbon footprint. I will not buy and therefore support those products from large corporations who do not care about the world’s hungry and are only out to make a profit.
            And yes I have and will always divide things into good and bad. I have that right and I stand by it.
            People chose between good and bad every day- if they are made aware of the difference. Unfortunately, they are not always able to do so since many unscrupulous companies hide what is really in thier food and lie about whether it is healthy and safe. The government agencies play a roll in this deception by allowing poisons to be passed off as organic. And I have divided this process into good and bad.
            I have the means to support my principles. Unfortunately many do not. That is why it is imperative for all consumers to be able to afford the cleanest and safest food possible.
            Many large AG have taken that right away through passing off cheap as healthy and safe. Make no mistake about it they aren’t. But what is worse is allowing food to be sold under a certified organic food when it is truly not.

          • One thing you can be guaranteed of is that true organic farmers in your area definitely do not have a small carbon footprint. If CO2 emissions are your only criteria, then stop buying local and stop buying organic. It’s that simple.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            You just made no sense whatsoever.
            That’s a formula to destroy farmers’ livlihoods and the environment as well.

          • I’m all for supporting local farmers John. But not because their CO2 are lower. They’re higher, which is fine by me. Much, much, much higher.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            No my sources do not have a high carbon footprint

          • I guarantee you they do, which, again, is fine!
            CO2 is not pollution.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            “I guarantee you they do”
            You are telling me something that you know nothing about?
            “CO2 is not pollution” ? Your credibility on this subject is sadly lacking.

          • Let me assure you John, this has nothing to do with my credibility. It’s about this little biological function called photosynthesis. Perhaps you have heard of it before?

          • JOHN BISCIT

            Never heard of it. Why don’t you explain it to me asshole

          • GMO Roberts

            Why so rude? Again someone is trying to educate you, because you don’t understand, or is it thank you can’t handle the fact that you are wrong?

          • BB53

            You went off the rails here. Nitrogen is 80% of the air we breathe and it’s not pollution either–
            Unless it gets to, say, 99%. Then we all die. Same with CO2.

          • So… what level of CO2 is too much in your opinion?

          • Michael
          • hyperzombie

            Nothing says “Carbon Footprint” like an organic farmers flame weeder.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            None of my sources employ this procedure

          • hyperzombie

            Sure they dont.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            No they don’t

          • GMO Roberts

            Prove it Jonny, while you are at it tell us what kind of government we have.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Flame weeders don’t have larger carbon footprints than diesel tractors applying pesticides.

          • hyperzombie

            Wow, that couldn’t be more wrong. Flame weeders use about 5-9 gallons of propane per acre and a diesel sprayer would use less than a 1/10th of a gallon per acre.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Its not just the amount of fuel burned that matters, one also has to consider the amount of emissions caused by burning a specific fuel and propane burns much cleaner than diesel. Niether fuel is emission free, but propane does not leave a toxic residue like some pesticides do either, making it the better choice as far as I am concerned.

          • hyperzombie

            Here is what you said.

            Flame weeders don’t have larger carbon footprints than diesel tractors applying pesticides.

            Then I explained that you were wrong.

            Now you are talking about emissions, not carbon.. What the heck.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Carbon dioxide is just one source of greenhouse gases, other greenhouse gases include nitrous oxide and methane, and there are others. When I use the word emissions I am referring to all of them, including carbon dioxide emissions. Burning propane releases fewer carbon emissions than diesel. That’s why I disagree with your conclusion that propane flames are worse than diesel tractors based upon volume of fuel burned. It’s just not that simple.

          • hyperzombie

            Carbon dioxide is just one source of greenhouse gases, other greenhouse gases include nitrous >oxide and methane, and there are others.

            yeah we are on the same page////

            s, other greenhouse gases include nitrous oxide and methane”

            nothing to do with mden herbicides.

          • Tandem_fusion

            Susan, the flame weeder burns the same amount of diesel as a pesticide applicator: they both get pulled by a tractor. ANY emissions of the flame weeder are in ADDITION to the diesel.

            Hands down, the cleaner technology is NOT flame weeding.

          • Susan Linkletter

            I dont know any farmers that pull a flame weeder with a tractor, most of the farmers around here use a backpack flame weeder – which makes it better than diesel.

          • Tandem_fusion

            You’re talking about gardening, not farming. Try that on my 300 acres snd you’ll get the picture (Indeed the lead video on this threat shows flame weeding an an agricultural scale. . .being pulled by a JD from assist tractor.

          • Susan Linkletter

            i am an organic farmer and i make a living on five or six acres. no flame weeder either. i am not just gardening, i am farming.

          • Tandem_fusion

            Well, fine: you’re a micro scale farmer then. Same thing in terms method

          • agscienceliterate

            Six acres! And you call that a “farm.” OK, whatever.
            Tell us how you deal with weeds, then. First, you said “most” farmers in your area use backpack flame weeders. Environmental fumes and toxins, much? (Try that on 800 acres, darlin’). Then you say you don’t use flame weeders. Just what DO you do for weeds, then? How long does it take you to hand-pull weeds from 6 acres? Hire people at $7.95 an hour to pull them up for you? Or do you till the soil and dig ’em under (ugh, not environmentally sound)? Leave weeds in your crop, so that all your neighbors benefit from weed seeds blowing into their crops?
            How do you deal with insects?
            I want to be convinced that what you are doing on your “farm” is environmentally sustainable. Convince me.

          • Susan Linkletter

            I use biodegradable mulch, crop rotations and cover crops to deal with weeds and insects. I also hand weed and use a small tiller if I have to. I plant new crops in stale seed beds – let the first crop of weeds come up and hoe them under before I plant my crops. A third of my land is always in cover crops and I always have one acre in greenhouse production. I weed one row of crop every day (1 or 2 hours a day). This is usually enough to keep my crops growing well. I actually pay my employees a living wage of $15 per hour, not minimum wage. My nearest neighbor is too far away to be bothered by a few weed seeds. Insect control varies but I have to keep strawberries, potatoes and cucurbits covered to control pests in those crops. The rest do OK even with a bit of pest pressure. A properly managed acre of organic vegetables is worth $50,000 – and I do not gouge my customers either, I match the prices at my local grocery store, sometimes my prices are better.

          • agscienceliterate

            That works on 6 acres, I guess. Where do you get your biodegradable mulch? And you do know that tilling with your small tiller is negative to the soil biodiversity and to the atmosphere, right? And hoeing under is tilling. Not so good for soil organisms and the air, but you know that. And so nice that your weed seeds aren’t blowing into a neighbor’s field or yard, or at least you hope so. So glad your acre is worth so much, and you can squeeze so much out of your organic crop. Yes, your prices are gouging even if they match the gouged prices at your local store. And no, your environmental practices do not measure up to conventional and GE. Appreciate your sharing how you work your little acreage, though. Do you really think this would work on 800 acres? Didn’t think so.

          • Susan Linkletter

            My biodegradable mulch comes from a company in Quebec. It helps me reduce tillage because I do know that tilling exposes microbes to the air which kills them. That is why I use alfalfa pellets and compost as fertilizers – to feed the microbes that are left. I am also building raised permanent beds to eliminate tilling altogether. You don’t need 800 acres to make a good living farming and I am proof that you can do it and leave a small environmental footprint. I am surrounded by my 120 acre woodlot. So what I do or dont do has no effect on my neighbors. I am proud of the fact that I protect my soil, use very little fossil fuel and I have a very biodiverse farm.

          • Tandem_fusion

            So you truck your biodegradable mulch about 750 km. . .

          • Viva La Evolucion

            I don’t believe flame weeders are great herbicde alternative. I believe a better way to reduce herbicide usage would be to stop subsidizing corn and soy to be grown for animal feed or biofuel. That would reduce our herbicide usage by over half. JoeFarmer finally admitted that he used to receive direct payment farm subsidies, but is now receiving governmental farm insurance subsides to grow his corn and soy, which is then used for animal feed and biofuel feedstock.

          • Viva La Evolucion

            I prefer many other herbicide alternatives to flame weeders. I like wood chip mulch, plasticulture, cover crops, no-till high tech mechanical weeding, and even soil steaming over flame weders. Also, in the future I would like to see the use of drones to spot weeds in combination with a fleet of small weed dissecting robots to mechanically kill weeds in a no-till fashion. I would be willing to bet that one of these, or possibly another herbicide alternative will be the norm in weed management 100 years from now. All of the work and research being done on herbicides is a total waste of time, as herbicides are not the weed control method of the future.

          • Susan Linkletter

            We need more consumers with a conscience just like you. Its the only way we willchange the system.

          • Warren Lauzon

            I have not found Big Organic to be any more truthful or ethical in their labeling and marketing than Big Ag – less so if anything.

          • Tracy

            Wow, someone with some brains here! Yes, they use the word “natural”, and our Gov’t allow them to put that lie, right on the label!

          • Warren Lauzon

            It was the organic industry that came up with the standards, and the government basically rubber stamped them.

          • joviss

            He’s not brainwashed, he’s money washed. Bought and paid spokesperson.

          • eddee

            What’s it like to be Forrest Gumps understudy?

          • Sue

            Eddee, Get off your high horse! You have nothing on Forest Gump!

          • Warren Lauzon

            You should watch this to see just how little nearly all of those labels actually mean https://youtu.be/gbfCqnZs0qw

          • GMO Roberts

            It has been explained to him, but his learning curve isn’t much.

          • It’s funny becuase I used to think like John. I was a USDA contract-organic inspector, and I believed all the propaganda against the “system.”

            But I now know the world is complicated, and that there are just as many jackasses running the organic movement as there are in the GMO sector.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Maybe more in the USA. The organic regulations fall under the control of the USDA. The USDA has internal pressure to relax the regulations and allow inputs that should not really be permitted in an effort to make the organic market more accessible to big companies that that find it hard to produce on a large scale and meet the current standards. The current standards are more accommodating to small scale production on mixed diversified farms where soil and animal health are more important than cheap food with no nutrients. I recently read that the USDA is being sued by a consumers group for not upholding the standard. The National Organic Standards Board which plays an advisory role to the USDA is also being criticized for allowing their seats to be filled by employees of big corporations instead of actual farmers so organics in the USA is being threatened by the very organizations that are supposed to be protecting it. They want to modify the rules to make it easier for big corporations to access it, not to protect the integrity of the organic label. And I think it’s a shame.

          • Everywhere – not just here in the USA – the organic movement is focusing more-and-more on keeping GMOs out of organic food, while more synthetics are being admitted. So you’re partly right.

            A whopping 43% of organic food sold in America tests positive for prohibited pesticides. In Canada the number is 46%.

            Meanwhile, not a single organic farmer in the U.S. or Canada has ever had a crop de-certified due to GMO “contamination.”

          • Susan Linkletter

            I farm in Canada and I don’t think its quite as bad up here as it is in the USA. Our standards are not under the same pressures as the US ones because we don’t have the big corporations after our market like they are in the USA and despite the fact that we have a kind of equivalency in place, what goes on in the USA is not necessarily permitted in Canada.Also,

          • Susan Linkletter

            also, 46 percent of the samples collected by the CFIA test positive for pesticides, but those are not necessarily randomly selected samples. Most of those samples are collected because they are at high risk of pesticide contamination. My certifier has a high rate of organic farmers testing positive for pesticide residues but they only select samples from organic farms that are close to convential farms that are using the pesticide that they are testing for

          • It’s worse in Canada because the CFIA’s standards do not have a testing clause.

            I grew up on an organic grain farm in Saskatchewan, and worked for five years as an organic inspector. Canadian farmers are overwhelmingly honest. But they fill only a tiny minority share of the Canadian market for organic foods.

          • Susan Linkletter

            I agree that its not a perfect system and CFIA should be doing more testing. I just don’t think that we should be writing off the entire industry because of a few bad apples. At least we have system, something to work with to make improvements. Testing for pesticides is expensive and the CFIA targets crops for testing based upon risk of contamination which can make organic produce look as bad as conventional if you don’t understand how the samples were selected. Its unfortunate that there are organic farmers who try to cheat the system, and even more unfortunate that pesticides drift.

          • Make up your mind Susan. Should the CFIA be doing more organic field testing, or is it too expensive?

          • Susan Linkletter

            The answer to that question is yes and no. In a perfect world everybody would get a random rest for pesticides but I know that the testers would want farmers to pay for it and I already pay enough for organic oversight. And I am not convinced that the CFIA should be the one testing for chemical residues. Maybe the certifiers need to do it. From the outside it looks pretty simple to people like you, but I inside its a bit more complicated because it’s another layer of expense and I don’t need or want it. That being said, if anybody wants to test my farm for pesticide residues they are welcome to do it as long a it is at their own expense. If you think the public should demand pesticide testing, then the public should pay for it.

          • joviss
          • SouthernTide7

            I do mischa…read above…

          • Farmer Sue

            Ya got that right. That’s why we use genetically engineered seeds.

      • Loren Eaton

        He knows if he’s “dousing” his crops.

      • Shelli

        Trust me, way, way, way more than you do! Many have degrees in agriculture ranging from crop science to herd health to bio security to Ag economics. What degree do you have?!

    • M Modine

      Totally! It’s like asking a Race car driver how many millimeters wide his 6 cylinder turbo motor’s manufactured to! Like asking an actor what kind of film should be used in his scene, whichever one makes him look good right? Ridiculous. Farmers should educate themselves much more so they stop being corporate mouthpieces for products. Arrogantly proclaiming, “See, the EPA found nuthin’ wrong with these chemicals” is short sighted and irresponsible. The FDA just NOW decided to MAYBE ‘research’ the safety of glyphosates!! It’s only been in production and use for 40 years now! Way to keep us safe FDA!

      • Farmer Sue

        That is the stupidest post I have read all day. You want to tell farmers what to use, huh? You think farmers are stupid and uneducated about the products they use? What arrogance. Glyphosate has been safety tested for years. If you don’t trust the FDA, fine. Go eat worms. But you would do well to talk to a farmer. Call your farm bureau. You are insulting when you sugtgest that farmers are “corporate mouthpieces.” Farmers buy different products every year, and guess what — we have free choice.

        • M Modine

          Wow really? I don’t want to TELL farmers what to do, ms. defensive, I want farmers to be able to use products [whatever brand I could care less!] that are SAFE… You sight Glyphosate has been safety tested?? Really? Can you cite an official source of these results please? I can’t see how that’s possible considering they only announced YESTERDAY that they MIGHT test this year…as they HAVEN’T at all. I find your statements unbelievable considering the market share and dominance of Monsanto products AND crop seed you have to buy. Are you telling me you’re one of the 15% that Don’t buy ANY of their crap? You are pure organic?? Please.Yeah you have free choice.. you can continue believing whatever they tell you [as you clearly do] instead of have any form of real conscience and NOT contribute to poisoning the planet and humans. But I’m sure you’ll just tell me to eff off, I’m arrogant yadda yadda, because you’ve built up a 6 foot concrete wall around your soul to help you sleep at night that would take years of moral fortitude sessions to break down. Free choice….that’s funny! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fda-glyphosate_us_56c4f815e4b0b40245c8f15b

          • Josh Dauwalter

            I find it interesting that Farmer Sue never responded to this. Liar caught out in the cold?

          • Absolute_Shower

            It’s not that interesting.
            People have varied interests.

          • Absolute_Shower

            I hope your face has returned to its normal colour after the crimson it must’ve been while you wrote your hyperventilating post.
            Monsanto have about 30% market share of the seed market. If that’s “dominance”, then you studied a different type of statistics to me.
            This very site has a link to 1,783 studies showing glyphosate to be safe.
            Downloadable spreadsheet at bottom of page:
            https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/with-2000-global-studies-confirming-safety-gm-foods-among-most-analyzed-subject-in-science/

          • M Modine

            ‘Shower’ -so let me get your argument- so sighting the exact same biased site with their bias writing agenda and even admittedly bought and ‘donated’ to by certain ‘pro-gmo foundations and entities means.. somehow you are pointing me to facts? Hilarious. I love ppl! Just keep sucking down what they’re selling!

          • agscienceliterate

            MM, you are a perfect consumer for organic and non-GMO certified foods. Feel safe. Eat them. Avoid GE foods. Now that’s easy, right? And stay far away from my own food choices with your hype and woo.

          • Absolute_Shower

            Whatever your prejudices about a science based site, the 1,783 studies are there to be read.
            By all means, feel free to post 1,783 studies showing GMOs to be unsafe.
            [You didn’t even look at the studies, otherwise you’d have pointed out my mistake, as the studies are about GMOs, not specifically glyphosate.]

          • agscienceliterate

            MM, as Farmer Sue has said on occasion, your mind is slammed shut tighter than a hog’s ass at fly time, relative to your rigid, unmoving, lockstep activist views on “agendas,” conspiracies, “pro GMO foundations,” “bias,” and anti-corporation sentiments. Advice: Doin’t eat GE foods! They are definitely not for you. Please. Leave them to the rest of us. You should definitely stick to organic and non-GMO certified. They are grown (and priced) precisely for people just like you. That way, you are happy, I don’t give a rat’s patootie what you choose to eat, and you in the meanwhile can continue to stay far away from reading the overwhelming scientific evidence, and even farther away from my own food choices. Deal? Or do you have some kind of uncontrollable religious fanatical compulsion to evangelize on behalf of the rest of us? Ugh. Not needed, but thanks for the thought.

          • Tracy

            I agree with you!

        • Tracy

          NOT if you use their seeds (chemical companies) they have a patent for their seeds, and even when their seeds cross-pollinate with other non-gmo’s they then say that YOUR CROP is THEIR CROP because they OWN the SEEDS!

        • Bliss

          unless you want to reuse your seed, Not so free then, eh?

      • Susan Linkletter

        Organizations like the EPA were put in place to guide farmers and others in the selection of safe products to use on our farms and properties. Its not wrong for farmers to rely upon them or even quote them. Its not short sighted or irresponsible. Farmers do not necessarily have all the time to sort out fact and fiction in this debate, the EPA is supposed to be doing that for them. I agree that the EPA should be doing a better job of testing and regulating pesticides and if a pesticide like glyphosate shows a strong correlation link to multiple diseases, people have every right to be upset if the EPA does not properly investigate it. I don’t blame the farmers for using pesticides that may be harmful, its a problem with the regulators, not the farmers.

        • M Modine

          I would whole heartedly agree worth your points, Susan. I agree that most farmers are good people just trying to earn a living and by necessity have to rely on our regulators for managing how they farm. I just have a problem with farmers and big chem sympathizers going off on how safe and proven all these products are when there’s literally noone proving it 100% as the EPA/FDA is asleep at the wheel at best and corrupt and bought-off at worse. We should be better than to question concerned people worried about the safety of their family’s and god-forbid the health of the planet- instead of these corporations that get by with extremely limited ‘proof’!

          • Susan Linkletter

            You are right, we have to direct our anger towards the regulators, not the farmers. Its the system that is the problem, not the people that find themselves caught up in it. But its the people who deny that there is a problem that really bug me. We cannot fix a problem if we don’t acknowledge that it even exists.

          • Tracy

            Yes, and they DON’T want them in Europe. President Putin has said “the Russian people have to be kept as far away from western food, pharmaceutical medicine and vaccines. And said he is starting organic ONLY food farms.

          • agscienceliterate

            Wrong. Europe is a huge importer of GE foods. Some of them just hypocritically ban growing them, but they’re happy to eat them. And if you think organic food is going to be able to feed Russia’s millions of people, you’re living in a fantasy world.

          • Tracy

            Tell that to President Putin not me!

          • agscienceliterate

            ?? You’re the one who commented about Europe, incorrectly.

          • Twan

            Basically Tracy is correct. Every single poll will tell you that people in the EC are against GMO. True,
            Europe annually imports about 40 Mtons of (mainly) transgenic soya to feed its
            livestock but political parties (especially in Germany) want to end this
            dependency by enforcing the development of “natural” soya strains adapted to the
            colder European climate or increasing the production of alternative protein
            sources like legumes. So far feasibility and environmental consequences of these ideas are
            blanked out from the discussions.

          • agscienceliterate

            Polls on GE are noteworthy for being overstated. In the US, supposedly polls say that 93% of voters support mandatory labeling for GE. But when it comes right down to it, voters reject labeling initiatives, and have done so in the last four ballot elections before voters.

          • Bliss

            Bullshit

          • agscienceliterate

            Poor Bliss hates, hates, hates to be wrong. “BS” really? Um, the last four statewide ballot elections before voters, in California, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado were defeated. Do your research before you spout off with more of your nonsense. It makes you mad to be wrong, but wrong you are nonetheless. Voters have rejected GE labeling.

          • Bliss

            Dear Neutral Investor, If you know anything about those ballots you also know Monsanto, Pepsi,etc flooded pro GMO people with money to lie and deceive the anti labeling MAJORITY. You need to do YOUR homework.

          • agscienceliterate

            Poor Bliss. You really believe that $$ would change YOUR mind? Or those of other virulent anti-GE activists? Are you really so naive as to think that these voters who rejected labeling were stupid? Bought off by $$?
            The truth is, the majority of voters in these states rejected labeling. You hate to be wrong, but yet again, you are wrong. Full of wishful thinking, but wrong, wrong, wrong. You are living in a fantasy world.

          • Bliss

            You said it perfectly. The GMO lobby relies on deceptive practices and wants to hide their production methods, Why be proud of what you produce? No need to inform the consumer. The do not need to know. Bye.

          • Bliss

            I guess you did not read the NAS report. GE is not increasing yields to “feed the world”.

          • Bliss

            and what products do they import?

        • Tracy

          Biotech scientists trying to make the chemical companies they work for, earn MORE money!
          OUR Gov’t has hired employee’s that use to work for Monsanto, to police Monsanto. Total conflict of interest, that has spread even more obscurity about this bio-nightmare. It’s time to fix this shit!

          • JP

            Tracy, have you had more than one job in your life? If so, did you still work for the company you left after you switched jobs?

          • agscienceliterate

            But you would be fine, right, if employees (no apostrophe, by the way, darlin’ – it’s not plural. You need to clean up your grammar) had SOME experience in farming, right? Oh, I see. Only if they had organic backgrounds, right? Or do you prefer gub’mint employees with zero experience in their field of oversight?
            Yeah, time to fix this shit alright. Get real.

          • Bliss

            Just do not buy it and talk to your grocers. They know how people feel about bad food products and have to deal with it face to face. They will help if they want your business.

    • i woke up yesterday

      2 4d is agent orange also used in the vietnam war used to actually kill people you know that right…farmers use this and glyophosphates ( a banned chemical that is killing off the bees) because there is no real research done on their products …all of the scientists get murdered for some odd reason…think im lying do some research and wake up…they really are trying to kill us…illuminati game cards the 9/11 hoax and all the cartoons that magically predict 9/11 months before it happened…the real terrorists are here in the USA sitting in all the offices of our govt

    • TCG-Vadmin

      Here’s some good information from farmers. Very enlightening on the use of glyphosate and the condition of a lot of farms after years of use. http://www.bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/a-01-31-2013-JohnKempf.mp3 Awesome stuff to understand, if you want healthy plants and high yields.

      • TCG-Vadmin

        In a nutshell, monsanto and round-up (glyphosate) have a limited life to enjoy. The results of years of use are quite plain on the damage it does to soil biology and plant yields.

  • Neil

    Hey Dave, are those ounces by weight or volume? That is, are you spraying 16oz (453g) per acre? Or is that 16 fluid ounces of a concentrated solution of glyphosate? If the latter what is the concentration?

    • David Walton

      The glyphosate amount is in fluid ounces. The product we are using is re-branded (not Monsanto if it matters), and is considered by the trade to be a “4lb per gallon” product. So to translate, we are putting on the equivalent 1/2lb per acre of active ingredient during the burndown application.

      • Neil

        So, if I’ve done the math right, 0.5 lb/acre is about 5 mg of glyphosate per square foot?? Five milligrams?! That’s about a tenth of a grain of salt…that’s so low I think I’ve done the math wrong.

        It makes the statement “farmers use eyedroppers” an exaggeration.

        • David Walton

          5mg/square foot is correct. Not exactly drowning a crop, is it?

          • rick

            What population do you plant at? I assume if you are dryland you are in the range of 18-22,000 plants per acre, say 20,000. 16 oz / 20,000 = .0007272 ozs active ingredient / plant. (7.2 / 10,000 oz). While I won’t say that is or isn’t a lot, I do question characterizing that as dousing, etc” and is probably far less than most people envision.

          • David Walton

            We are rain-fed dryland, but your populations are way too low. We plant in the range of 34,000 up to 38,000 depending on yield potential of the field. Your point still holds true, but at a lower amount per plant.

          • rick

            Thanks. I am probably years behind on planting populations and am most familiar with western Nebraska planting populations.

          • rick

            Here is another question to put it in perspective — suppose you applied at a rate of 1/100th oz active ingredient per plant, (i.e a rate of 1 oz / 100 plants). At a population stand of 20,000 plants per acre, that would translate to 200 oz. active ingredient per acre (20,000 / 100). What would be the cost of the products purchased to apply glysophate at that rate?

        • Kevin Folta

          You have it right. It is about 83 mg per square meter, applied before plants flower and even if it all magically sequestered in the beans you’d have to eat three acres of them (>3500 kg) to achieve the LD50. The math really cleans up this issue.

          • David Walton

            It does get a little clumsy when we have to convert between imperial and metric, but glad we got the math right. Thanks Kevin!

  • David Smith

    If farmers are spraying so little Roundup, why is glyphosate showing up in urine and breast milk. Does this suggest that glyphosate is maybe more persistent than what was thought previously?

    • No it means detection methods are really really REALLY sensitive. To “show up” means it made an instrument say “Oh hey, I found a few nanograms”… it does not mean your body says “ARGH!!! I’M DYING!!!”.

      The *dose* makes the poison, not the presence. Anything is toxic in high enough dose. Everything is non-toxic in low enough dose. Table-salt can be used as a murder weapon, and is done so several times per year… while at the same time you walk around with mercury, lead, uranium and radioactivity in your body you whole life without feeling a thing from it because the dose is so low.

      The most toxic substance known on Earth – the botulin toxin – is used as a beauty treatment, while the most precious and safe substance – water – kills hundreds if people every year in water poisoning. The DOSE makes the poison, not the presence.

      Compare to someone putting a hand on your cheek gently… or sending it flying against it as a curled up fist.

      • David Smith

        In the Moms Across America report, breast milk was only tested from 10 mothers and the highest amount of glyphosate detected was 0.166 mg/L while the EPA sets a limit of 0.7 mg/L as the maximum contamination level for glyphosate in water. http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/index.cfm#three
        The EPA document lists “Kidney problems; reproductive difficulties” under “Potential Health Effects from Long-Term Exposure Above the MCL (unless specified as short-term)”.

        Compared to this, the levels of glyphosate in water in the Moms Across America report were nanogram amounts.

        So the higher levels in breast milk might either indicate a concentration effect or may be as a result of sampling environment.

        It is a pity that there is no historical data to track whether levels of glyphosate have gradually increased or remained the same over the last few years. There is also no current EPA data I could find on the amount of glyphosate sold in the USA since 2008.

        • A great point David. But the fact remains – as Michael put it – the dosage is what makes the poison. Paracelsus was the first to coin this phrase. What this means is that even if glyphosate levels have gone up in breast milk, it wouldn’t matter unless it reached a crucial level causing some sort of toxic reaction.

          • bible thumper

            Spoken like a true monsanto farmer

          • But I’m an organic farmer.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            If you are an organic farmer you don’t use “cides.

          • Really? So, Rotenone, pyrethrins and nicotene aren’t “cides”?

          • JOHN BISCIT

            They become ‘cides when humans intervene and manipulate nature. Until humans intervene, no, they are just plants minding their own business.

          • Farming itself is humans intervening and manipulating nature.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            Yes true but that is fine as long as there is no long term damage to the environment.

          • A good rule of thumb I have always followed is that any farmer who’s been in business for his entire life is definitely NOT damaging his environment.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            You would have to expand on that premise in order for you to prove that point. How does that necessarily prove he is not damaging the environment? Do you mean just because he has always farmed on the same plot of land all his/her life?

          • Suffice it to say that it’s logically impossible for people who don’t farm to try judging whether or not farmers are friendly to the environment.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            You would have to expand on that premise in order for you to prove that
            point. How does that necessarily prove he is not damaging the
            environment? Do you mean just because he has always farmed on the same
            plot of land all his/her life?

          • Unlike most other businesses where the environment is external, farmers live, breath, eat and earn their living within their environment.

            I have seen a few farmers over the years who did damage to their environment for short-term gain, but it always caught up with them in the end. All such farmers go bankrupt sooner or later.

        • Kevin Folta

          David, there are a few things to consider. First, what is “detection”? With GC/MS it is possible to find molecules on the edge of existence. Homeowner or municipal use can show up there. However, I’m also inclined to disregard Moms Across America’s conclusions. Last year their “stunning corn comparison” used absolutely fake numbers that could not represent anything biological. They made the horrendous error of posting bogus data, and when I pointed that out they told me that they knew they were bad numbers but were not going to change them. When you consider the source, I’m not convinced they are measuring anything. When the claim is about breast milk and trying to freak out affluent mothers, that would be the place to say you found it. If the results were real and rigorous you’d see them in peer-reviewed journals.

          Actually, we could ask them to repeat their data using the same mothers. I can tell you now that they won’t do it. They didn’t want to do the corn experiment over either.

        • Guest

          Now, let me see if I understand this: The mothers milk had 0.166 mg/L of glyphosate and the EPA sets a limit of 0.7 mg/L as the maximum contamination level for glyphosate in water. Now you feel the 0.166 mg/L level of mothers milk is higher than the EPA limit for glyphosate in water? I hope I’m not understanding you.

          In my math class the teacher said 0.7 mg is bigger than 0.166 mg. What did your teacher say?

        • kurzweilfreak

          Excuse me if I don’t put much faith in the MAA report, since these people collected and sent in their own samples with absolutely no contamination protocols in place. For all we know, these women could have sprayed their backyards or driveways earlier in the week before sending in their self-produced samples. Or left them sitting out before sealing while someone else was spraying. Or 100 other possibilities that were not controlled for in this “self-reporting”.

          Or they actually could have simply made the data up wholesale, since it was never peer-reviewed or replicated.

          • JOHN BISCIT

            Just like Monsanto does.

          • Tracy

            What do they have to gain by lying? It’s the chemical companies that are lying. The same way they obscured the science of DDT’s PCB’s and Agent Orange

          • kurzweilfreak

            What do they have to gain? Consumer fear of GMOs and glyphosate, driving them to be customers of the organic/natural/woo industries. The entire anti-GMO movement is a FUD propaganda campaign funded and fueled by the organic industry, based on lies and pseudoscience. The organic industry is a multi-billion dollar a year industry and growing, so I’d say they have lots to gain.

            I’m not sure that saying that companies obscured the science on those products is quite true either, particularly in the case of Agent Orange where Monsanto made the government quite aware of the dioxin contamination due to the prescribed method of manufacture and the government just ignored it. Regardless, the Monsanto Chemical Company responsible for those products is not the same Monsanto company of today with the exception of the name “Monsanto”. Monsanto Chemical Company is now known as Solutia Inc.

      • Your1Friend

        So comforting.

    • David, please take a chemistry lesson. With modern biometrics, EVERYTHING shows up in urine. Literally a thimble full of any chemical spilled into Lake Erie would show up a week later with today’s tests. Urine presence shows zero about bioaccumulation, and we know for certain that glyphosate does not bioaccumulate. It’s less dangerous than table sale in its LD profile.

      No peer reviewed study has shown glyphosate in breast milk by the way…that was a survey by VERY fringe GMO activists, as you well know. What they found in their unscientific review — the antithesis of real science — was miniscule traces in breast milk in unknown women (farm workers? suburbanites?) at 1/10 the level deemed acceptable by health officials, which itself 1/100 of the level that has been shown to cause reactions in lab animals exposed to glyphosate continuously for months..so it’s already 1/1000 the level deemed potentially hazardous for CONTINUOUS exposure, which would really be about 1/1 millionth a level that could be dangerous to the average person. In other words, even this “review” found glyphosate perfectly safe, though the crack anti-GMO activists who tried to spin their own failed experiment would never admit it. On to the next bogeyman, David.

      • David Smith

        Jon, I’m assuming that when you refer to “modern biometrics” you simply mean chemicals including herbicides and pesticides? (I think that term is already in use to mean something else). And sadly you are probably right about Lake Erie being highly polluted.

        If all glyphosate ingested is supposed to exit the body in urine but is showing up in breast milk then where else in the body is it going to. And if it is confirmed to be in breast milk then it kind of debunks the whole issue of low cellular uptake!

        • Nope. Biometrics in this case is the ability to find vanishingly small and biologically meaningless traces of chemicals. You missed the point on Lake Erie…it could Lake Lucerne…the point is we can now find meaninglessly small amounts of chemicals. As for the breast milk claims: (1) there has never been a study (2) even if this survey was on to something, the levels are so low that it merely confirms glyphosate’s safety and (3) this says nothing about “cellular uptake” not would its presence breast milk. You keep posting stuff about which you have no science background on at all.

          • David Smith

            “You keep posting stuff about which you have no science background on at all.”
            You are right Jon. Unlike you I do not have any expert knowledge on pesticides except what I read about in scientific peer reviewed journals.
            You on the other hand (despite a “journalistic” background) seem to have a plethora of information on the safety of pesticides – why even Syngenta consulted you in their damage control strategy against the public concerns over atrazene (it’s amazing what documents can be found on the internet!) (see pg 3 and 4 on AEI and Jon Entine):
            http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/c/c2/Syn_email_WHWG_Roundup_memo.pdf

            Now I do wonder what that had to do with your defense of atrazene in your book “Crop Chemophobia” and “Scared to death” which also includes a defense of BPA.

            A publication by Hayes et al (2011), authored by 22 scientists from 16 institutions debunk the spin that atrazene is harmless:
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076011000665
            They conclude that “Atrazine is prevalent and persistent in the environment. There are many other documented reproductive effects of atrazine in laboratory rodents: induced abortion and impaired mammary development and the induction of reproductive and hormone-dependent cancers, and as well as other non-reproductive effects including impaired immune function (also observed in multiple studies across vertebrate classes) and and impaired neural development. Thus, with the additional the indirect effects of atrazine on habitats atrazine can have dramatic effects on ecosystems, environmental health and public health.

            On BPA, even the NIH and FDA have in 2013 started raising concerns of its effect: “However, on the basis of results from recent studies using novel approaches to test for subtle effects, both the National Toxicology Program at the National Institutes of Health and FDA have some concern about the potential effects of BPA on the brain, behavior, and prostate gland in fetuses, infants, and young children.”
            http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm064437.htm

            But I’m sure you know best!

          • rogerston

            David, Kevin Folta addressed your original assertions, yet you seem keen on trying to play the shill card with Jon instead of continuing the actual points you originally brought up.

            Kevin is a molecular biologist by the way and very well respected in his field, so if you have any more genuine scientific/health concerns, he would be an honest person to get good answers from.

            I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are an intellectually curious and honest person, and not ideologically driven to just be a static voice of dissent, moving goal posts and topics, gish galloping with more of an interest in scoring debate points for onlookers than genuinely seeking answers from those in the know.

            With that in mind, do you have any more concerns about glyphosate specifically, do have some data from credible sources you need addressed, or are we done here?

          • David Smith

            I am not going to comment on every little issue you raise since in your own words it’s “gish galloping”!

            “Kevin Folta addressed your original assertions…”

            Actually I made no assertions! Instead I tried to raise questions regarding a report that I won’t dismiss out of hand because you already seem to have all the answers for without having the facts. What if the study is repeated and glyphosate is found in breast milk? Instead you rubbish it outright and thereby demonstrate your one-sided view of this issue. While Kevin offered a well-meaning opinion, it is only an opinion since he is not a toxicologist or an expert on pesticides.

            “..yet you seem keen on trying to play the shill card with Jon..”

            Your words not mine. I only raised some facts. The fact that he puts himself forward as an expert on pesticides is in itself a deception. Despite publishing books on pesticides, he has no scientific education in pesticides apart from links to the pesticide industry.

            “With that in mind, do you have any more concerns about glyphosate specifically, do have some data from credible sources you need addressed, or are we done here?”

            That seems like quite a juvenile response – but yes I have several concerns that remain unanswered regarding glyphosate. Please note that all studies used glyphosate below NOAEL:

            Benedetti et al. (2004).The effects of sub-chronic exposure of Wistar rats to the herbicide Glyphosate-Biocarb. Toxicology Letters 153(2): 227–232
            Conclusion: “The object of this study was to analyze the hepatic effects of the herbicide Glyphosate-Biocarb® (as commercialized in Brazil) in Wistar rats. Animals were treated orally with water or 4.87, 48.7, or 487 mg/kg of glyphosate each 2 days, during 75 days. Sub-chronic treatment of animals starting from the lowest dose of glyphosate induced the leakage of hepatic intracellular enzymes, alanine aminotransferase (ALT) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST), suggesting irreversible damage in hepatocytes. We observed the increase of Kupffer cells in hepatic sinusoid of glyphosate-treated animals. This was followed by large deposition of reticulin fibers, composed mainly of collagen type III.”

            El-Shenawy. (2009). Oxidative stress responses of rats exposed to Roundup and its active ingredient glyphosate. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 28(3): 379–385
            Conclusion: “Treatment of animals with Roundup induced the leakage of hepatic intracellular enzymes, ALT, AST and ALP suggesting irreversible damage in hepatocytes starting from the first week. It was found that the effects were different on the enzymes in Roundup and glyphosate-treated groups. Significant time-dependent depletion of GSH levels and induction of oxidative stress in liver by the elevated levels of LPO, further confirmed the potential of Roundup to induce oxidative stress in hepatic tissue. However, glyphosate caused significant increases in NO levels more than Roundup after 2 weeks of treatment. Both treatments increased the level of TNF-α by the same manner. The results suggest that excessive antioxidant disruptor and oxidative stress is induced with Roundup than glyphosate.”

            Romano et al. (2012). Glyphosate impairs male offspring reproductive development by disrupting gonadotropin expression. Archives of Toxicology 86(4): 663-673.
            Conclusion: “Thus, the aim of this study was to investigate the effect of gestational maternal glyphosate exposure (50 mg/kg, NOAEL for reproductive toxicity) on the reproductive development of male offspring…. These results suggest that maternal exposure to glyphosate disturbed the masculinization process and promoted behavioral changes and histological and endocrine problems in reproductive parameters.”

            Chłopecka et al. (2014). Glyphosate affects the spontaneous motoric activity of intestine at very low doses – In vitro study. Pesticide Biochemistry and Physiology 113:25–30
            Conclusion: “The gathered data suggests that glyphosate impairs gastrointestinal strips’ motility at concentration that are noticed in human exposed to non-toxic doses of glyphosate.”

            Roustan et al. (2014). Genotoxicity of mixtures of glyphosate and atrazine and their environmental transformation products before and after photoactivation. Chemosphere 108: 93–100
            Conclusion: “In the present study, in vitro experiments showed that the genotoxic impact of pesticides greatly depended on their physico-chemical environment, and that pesticide mixtures could reveal genotoxic properties at concentrations which were far lower than those of the individual molecules. As a consequence, they pointed out the limits of usual testing strategies to efficiently estimate environmental risks, and suggested that the Directive Standards for Pesticides in Drinking Water should be re-evaluated according to these under-estimated factors of risk.”

          • bible thumper

            Monsanto robot.

      • bible thumper

        I think you should start testing on your children to find out just what it does…wait, if you let your kids eat that poison you are.

      • JOHN BISCIT

        When chemical agriculture blankets millions of acres of genetically engineered corn and soybean fields with hundreds of millions of pounds of glyphosate,
        it’s not a surprise babies are now consuming Monsanto’s signature
        chemical with breast milk and infant formula,” said Ken Cook, president
        and co-founder of Environmental Working Group. “The primary reason
        millions of Americans, including infants, are now exposed to this
        probable carcinogen is due to the explosion of genetically engineered
        crops that now dominate farmland across the U.S.”

  • Tim Taylor

    This is a propaganda web site. I am a scientist and you are being wildly deceitful in most articles I see on here. How is this site funded? What ties do you have to other organizations? My dad is a farmer and I was too until I went away to college. How much Roundup is used annually in this country? Do tell.

    If you think they are using eye droppers and Roundup is safe, why don’t you come over to my house for a little tea. I’ll drink organic green tea and you can have an eye dropper full of 2,4D.

    • David Walton

      I’m pretty sure I’ve ingested 2,4D in my lifetime and I’m still here to tell about it. The eyedropper analogy is an attempt to get others to understand the small amount of glyphosate we use, not the drowning that GMOFreeUSA and others attempt to convince their followers that we use.

      • Tim Taylor

        Ignorant answer. Wildly ignorant. Anti-scientific. Dumbed-down. Anecdotal nonsense.

        I have a simple question for you. Nature has rules. It has set up those rules over billions of years. Nature does not break its own rules. When anyone does, nature is pathological. If anyone breaks its rules, the consequences are merciless. Need I cite examples?

        Never in the history of the world has anyone broken those rules. That is, until now. So, we have two species. Let’s take GMO corn as an example. One species is a grass. The other is a bacteria. Monsanto uses techniques to literally force nature to break its rules by forcibly making bacteria part of the corn’s DNA. Yet nature has resisted this comingling of disparate species,

        What are the consequences of this action? What are the consequences of breaking nature’s laws? You are clueless. So are GMO scientists. No one knows the consequences. No one can tell me GMO foods are safe. Especially someone who tells me he ingested 2,4D and has lived to tell about it. That is so completely ignorant and lacking in scientific rigor that it’s completely laughable.

        • David Walton

          You know that Bt occurs in nature. Right? You know that it’s widely used in all sorts of vegetable production. Right?

          • (David, he’s doing it again. Tim Taylor thinks “Nature” has rules that have already been discovered and that can’t be changed. He’s stuck in the past. Shh… I don’t want him to hear me tell you this.)

          • Judy Nonarchi

            Including organic.

        • raaaaaaah

          U used a computer,wear clothes etc
          none of them were set up by nature.
          why aren’t you dead yet

          • johnnygeneric

            oooo….touche’

        • Mrzyphl Moon

          We cant’ help but violate nature. Just by cutting down trees and tilling the land we destroy whole ecosystems by planting crops… any crop.

        • Kevin Folta

          Are you on a natural computer, or are you breaking nature’s rules?

        • Steven Alexander Shaver

          Tell that to the emerald sea slug? What about viruses that carry 20% of not their own DNA so that it can survive? Ferns are transgenic too… Nature has no rules.

    • Jon Entine

      Actually this is an independent web site supported by independent philanthropies. (Searle, Templeton, Winkler Family Trust). There are no “ties” to any organization other than George Mason and the independent Center for Health and Risk Communication. We carry articles in major publications and blogs from all sides of many issues on human and agricultural genetics. We run a variety of viewpoints and contributing columnists, including from an organic farmer who is sometimes quite critical of the biotech industry: https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/05/29/fear-sells-and-academics-review-uses-it-too-in-misleading-attack-on-organic-marketing/#.U49urZRdX0I

      David Walton is an independent contributor who writes based on his experiences with no editorial control or influence from anyone at the GLP.

      In fact, the GLP is so independent, I invite YOU to write for this site. If you can produce a coherent, non-ideological article–in other words free of the attack verbiage you used here–focusing on issues and empirical evidence–I will gladly post it, and future articles as well. So…if you are a thoughtful person and genuinely embrace science and dialogue, demonstrate it–please don’t just spout nonsense. Be constructive.

      • Tim Taylor

        These posts are nonsense and ideologicial drivel. There is no scientific rigor on this post. Nor is there one with the Yale neurological professor I just read. He obviously doesn’t even appreciate science, scientific falsification and what constitutes theory versus fact. I am a thoughtful person. That is why I am attacking this nonsensical bulloney on here.

        I see enough in the fact that Searle backs this site that money and conflict of interest are a part of your anti-scientific meme.

        • Jon Entine

          Yes, Tim, you are smarter and better informed and more scientifically rigorous than an independent neurology (you got the spelling wrong alas) professor. As for Searle, the foundations are independent of the company and are among the largest supporters of science prizes and independent educational research in the world, including the globally respected Searle Scholars Program. Obviously you are unfamiliar with the science and educational world or would know that. It appears that you have no interest in science but are a typical troll who spouts but won’t engage actual empirical data. Perhaps you should get your science from GMO Watch or Sustainable Pulse or some similar venue where you can get your prejudices confirmed independent of evidence, as appears to be your desire.

          • Tim Taylor

            Give me the credentials of the neurologist and his scientific falsification and rigor to make a statement that breaking nature’s laws has no consequences and is safe. You can’t. He can’t. So, his remarks are simply driven by some conflict of interest or ego-motive.

            Science in this nation is collapsing because of the conflict of money, corporations and ignorance that has hijacked it.

            Umm, because I didn’t use my spell checker means what? I am very familiar with science. I am a scientist. Are you? Answer my question below about the forced DNA change in corn created by Monsanto. You are wildly ignorant and wildly prejudice against science and in favor of voodoo and belief systems.

          • Jon Entine

            You sound like no scientist I’ve ever come across in my life–ever. More like a spoiled child. Please send a link to your university affiliation and your list of publications. I’ve been unable to locate you on the net so I assume you are using a pseudonym. As for my credentials, I’ve written 7 books, 2 on genetics and 2 on chemicals, and more than 2000 articles. I have two think tank affiliations, one liberal and one conservative. I have no axe to grind other than to support diverse viewpoints. If you’d like to share your “informed” views rather than just rant, than please be constructive and embrace my offer to write, independently, for this site. I’ve called your bluff.. Otherwise, anyone reading this exchange would rightfully conclude you are not a serious person. Reminder if you continue to be abusive in your posts, they will be removed. We guarantee our readers constructive dialogue–you have crossed that line for the last time.

          • Tim Taylor

            HAHAHAHAHA. Think tanks are paid off bureaucrats who use propaganda to convince humanity of a point of view that others wish us to believe for their own self-interested evils. That’s how you get corporations to fund this drivel on here.

            Written books on genetics? Now that’s rich. But you aren’t a scientist. So, if you aren’t a scientist what exactly did you write about in those books? Warm, fuzzy belief systems.

            Ohhh, I have crossed the line. I’m worried. I threaten your ignorance is what you really mean. Removing my posts allows you to continue a false meme. Freedom of speech is dead. And so is science. At least on here. Good riddance.

            Btw, you will lose. GMOs will lose. It’s just a matter of what the consequences will be before that happens.

          • David

            I absolutely adore it when an ignoramus tries to claim he’s a scientist and is so ignorant he doesn’t realize he can’t fake people out. Here’s a hint Tim – scientists don’t say things like “breaking nature’s laws with no consequences”. That’s straight out of a new age crackpot ideology and is the same type of thing vaccine deniers say.

          • Quite right David. Poor Tim Taylor is so overcome with self-righteous indignation he doesn’t even realize that the whole point of science is to “break” what we assumed were nature’s laws. Scientists do so by discovering new laws.

          • David Smith

            Jon, Since you raise the issue of credibility, I think it is important to bring the following to attention. You are not a scientist. You are a good writer – but not a scientist. I looked up you publications (http://www.jonentine.com/) and they are impressive for a writer. However, you also must admit that almost none of your articles are peer reviewed.

            Two of your books “Crop Chemophobia: Will Precaution Kill the Green Revolution?” (2010) (J Entine editor and contributor) published by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the other “Scared to Death: How Chemophobia Threatens Public Health” (J Entine) was published by the American Council on Science and Health http://www.scribd.com/doc/110912596/Scared-to-Death-How-Chemophobia-Threatens-Public-Health

            The American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) is worth noting because its mantra is “Science. Not Hype.”. The same ACSH published another book “The effects of nicotine on human health” (2013) (Dr. Murray Laugesen) http://acsh.org/2014/01/effects-nicotine-human-health-2/ in which it is stated ““Cigarette smoke causes cancer, but nicotine does not”. The ACSH is clearly out to spread disinformation since several studies prior to the 2013 publication clearly demonstrate that nicotine itself causes cancer. I will provide the references if necessary.

            So what is your agenda?

          • Judy Nonarchi

            Thank you, Jon. Tim shows the petulant schoolyard name-calling behavior that, in adults, is considered part of classical narcissism. I too would appreciate your removing his ad hominem attack posts, if they do not ask specific questions or contribute to the discussion.

          • TZena

            Wow… brilliant post!

          • rogerston

            “Breaking natures laws” – what kind of scientist talks like this? Which “laws of nature” are being broken here precisely?

            You don’t just shout shill at the science that doesn’t confirm your beliefs. That’s what climate change denialists do You supply a proper critique of the science or provide better science that refutes it and you give weight to the consensus in the literature.

        • TZena

          Thank you….it is appreciated!

        • johnnygeneric

          So far, it’s is easy to say you have said nothing thoughtful. Why don’t you take up the challenge that has been posed to you and write an article?

          I think sites funded by anti-GMO environmentalists have a conflict of interest, too. There is no way to get around “conflicts of interest”. It is a stupid, small-minded “card” thrown down by people who really do NOT want to argue.

          Write an article for the website!

          • Judy Nonarchi

            Anti-GMO “environmentalists” (I put that in quotes because the environmental effects of GE crops are superior to alternative methods) have a great conflict of interest; fear that people will get over THEIR fear factors and will start eating GE foods and stop paying twice as much for organic food. So it very much pays them directly to keep ramping up the GE fear factor.

      • David Smith

        You are wrong Jon,

        Searle and Templeton are not “independent philanthropies”.

        They have been linked to “…funding and the creation of U.S. climate change counter-movement organizations” in a peer reviewed paper by Brulle (2014) in Climate Change (impact factor of 3.634) http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-013-1018-7#

        In fact the AEI think tank you are a member of (http://www.jonentine.com/conferences.html) is listed in the same paper as a “climate counter-movement” organization.

      • bible thumper

        I have to use attack verbiage because I don’t have time to argue with Monsanto’s shrink the population, control the worlds food freaks. I couldn’t help it.
        Hear is the deal. By the time this arguing gets over and all the collateral damage brings science to admit they need to ban this garbage the damage will already be done.

    • TZ

      Awesome…so true, these biotech trolls lie and manipulate as a rule to accomplish their greedy corporate agendas!!! Jon Entine has admitted to getting paid by Biotech, to in my best estimation, help them deceive the American people! They are void of a conscience or anything that resembles integrity!

    • rogerston

      Do you have any credible sources to refute any of this article, or are you here just to make baseless ad hominem attacks because it doesn’t fit your ideology?

    • Judy Nonarchi

      Tell you what, smartie. You can have “organic” tea made from manure-infested leaves anyday. I don’t think I’ll drink an eye dropper of 2,4D but I sure as heck have no probs with that, or glyphosate, as properly applied (understand that?) on crops.

  • Interesting article. Good to hear the point of view of a farmer, too, as scientists often tend to look at best/worst case, not use-case. I understand that this is not a ‘scientific’ contribution, but it doesn’t have to be to have merit.

    I’m critical of pesticides, but not against their use. Maybe a good analogy is; I don’t particularly like cars, but I appreciate ambulances. I would like less polluting alternatives, but not at the cost of derailing society and resulting human suffering. Cars get better every day, too and soon will be emission-neutral. Banning cars now would halt all that progress. The same sortof applies to pesticides and GMO.

    Farmers are likely the first to notice if something slipped by the testing, if only because they see yield, are on the field day by day, and would notice dead butterflies, to coin one concern. I also believe that since farmers are the first to lose their livelihood if things go seriously wrong, they have a vested interest in safety.

    Organic farming has many flaws, but it holds a great ‘sympathy’ factor for me. I think it has a lot of good ideas wrapped in outdated science.

    It is sad to see how often dialogue derails thanks to bystanders with an agenda, or holy fire good intentions. Good people, with great intentions can do the most harm.

    From a layperson who has been struggling through papers, articles and safety sheets just to try and form an independent opinion, thank you. All the best with your farm. I hope it thrives, and I hope you keep bringing your positive attitude to the debate.

    • David Walton

      Thanks for your thoughts, David, and glad to hear this was helpful to you. I’m trying to take some of the rhetoric in the Ag debate and put it in practical terms and at the same time debunking those bits of misinformation that are all to common.

      Herbicides are necessary in our operations, but we do the best we can to reduce the use, and use the options that provide the highest level of environmental safety.

      You mentioned that Farmers would be the first to see anything that could slip through the cracks in research prior to release. That is true. There have been several incidents of that over the years, but it’s usually in the realm of crop safety or carryover concerns. The off-target effects are usually well known and chemical formulations are adjusted, or application recommendations are changed before the product goes to market.

      • Food safety and availability is of such major importance that we cannot debate this without asking those who actually keep us all alive, thank you for your clarifications. :)

        I have seen the effects of bad diet and food scarcity first hand, I lived in a developing country. I have read the posts below this article, and I despair at the negativity. If you’ve seen a child with severe malnutrition, really, you’ll be thankful for an apple with some negligible amounts of –icide on/in it MAYBE, because it sure as **** beats the alternative of NO apple. ;-) All that passoin going into paranoia rather than constructive debate. That’s why I replied.

        All the best,
        DD.

  • TZ

    Nothing but lies and propaganda! Sickening!

  • stevenally

    The “eyedropper of chemicals” amount is meaningless. You could kill hundreds of people with an eye dropper of nerve gas.

    • I’ll make it more meaningful: an eye dropped if glyphosate which has one of the lowest toxic chemicals of any known agrichicsk, is nit carcinogenic, does not bioaccumulate and is not biodegradable. In other words anti-GMO ideologues who use thus “drenching” imagery are promoting ignorance and fear. Is that more meaningful?

      • stevenally

        That is the conventional view. Which is essentially shaped by the manufacturer. Here is a summary of the alternative view:

        http://sourcewatch.org/index.ph/Glyphosate#Toxicity

        • Judy Nonarchi

          “Suggested” ?? That is not science. That is mere armchair speculation. Means nothin.’

        • Benjamin Edge

          Interesting, the abstract for your second link there says “Our review found no evidence of a consistent pattern of positive
          associations indicating a causal relationship between any disease and
          exposure to glyphosate.”

        • kurzweilfreak

          Are you really trying to say that the multi hundred billion dollar a year organic industry has neither the incentive or money to fund the real independent tests to provide the evidence for the claims that they constantly trot out? You would think that an organization like that would be tripping all over themselves to make that happen if it were actually true. That they are not says everything: they know they’re full of shit.

          • stevenally

            Well, Kuzweillfreak. See what the man himself has to say…. http://www.rayandterry.com/blog/pollution-from-many-angles/

          • JoeFarmer

            LMAO!

            Seriously? You’re linking to a site that markets “longevity products”?

          • kurzweilfreak

            I’m very familiar with everything Kurzweil has written, thank you. Congratulations, you’ve discovered that not even Ray Kurzweil is immune to his own forms of quackery when they suit his bias, especially when they help to promote his products.

          • stevenally
    • Kevin Folta

      83 mg square meter active ingredient, applied before plants flower. I appreciate the author’s use of ‘eyedropper” to make the amounts approachable. At this rate it is hardly nerve gas. If all of it magically ended up in the beans you’d need to eat 3 acres of them to achieve an LD50 dose. Again, not quite nerve gas!

    • First Officer

      It’s a good thing it’s not nerve gas then, isn’t it? Your statement is like saying you shouldn’t drink a cup of coffee cause the same amount of botulism as there is caffeine would kill hundreds.

    • Randall H.

      Exactly! I really appreciate the comment, and the understanding that there are different toxicities of chemicals.

      You can then understand why I’d rather spray 2 qts Roundup per acre than 1 pint of Atrazine.

      This also means that you understand that while herbicide spraying isn’t necessarily going down in lbs/acre, it is REALLY going down in toxicity per acre.

      This is precisely why GM crops are better for the environment, instead of spraying with an “eye dropper” of “nerve gas,” we are now spraying with “two eye droppers” of “table salt.”

  • johnnygeneric

    Very, very enlightening.

  • rogerston

    Do you have credible sources to refute any of this, or are you here just to make baseless ad hominem attacks because it doesn’t fit your ideology?

    • David Smith

      See my response above.

  • bible thumper

    One in 80 kids that were born in 2001 have autism. It has been clearly linked to glyphosate usage. It shows up in mothers milk and urine samples. Experts predict because of the continued and excessive mount of round up ready crops GMO the autism rate will continue to rise exponentially. Check out “Moms across America” for great studies and resources. Why the farmers turn a blind eye to the detriment of humanity is beyond me. The need to grow a conscience.

    • Judy Nonarchi

      Oh yeah, bible thumper? (huh?) The Autism Society makes no such claim nor do scientists. I’ve read that hype article about autism doubling, because of glyphosate; that’s just pure speculation, and isn’t even good correlation, much less causation. (do you have any idea what I’m referring to here? Oh yeah; you’re a bible thumper. Never mind.)

      • bible thumper

        Judy, your not informed or qualified to comment on this subject. If you want to know the truth check out this link.
        http://www.responsibletechnology.org/autism

        • kurzweilfreak

          Jeffery Smith is neither informed nor qualified to comment on any science subject, since he is not a scientist at all and has absolutely no scientific training in any field. So why do you keep posting his “institute” website as if it is some kind of authority? You do know who he is, right?

        • Good4U

          Thumper, you probably know by now (embarrassed much?) that the Smith character that you referred to above is just a wacked-out, wild-eyed animalistic aberration, some sort of protohuman; sort of like those ISIS characters that have taken over parts of the Middle East. The term ‘institute’ associated with him is particularly apt, as he certainly belongs in an institute (as in ‘institution’).

  • David Corpus

    Was “drowning” the crops ever the issue? This sounds like a straw man. In the USA, roundup is applied at over 180 million pounds annually. It may look like an eyedropper to each square millimeter per application, but that is hardly the point. Some quick notable issues that I am aware of regarding roundup are:
    1. The scientists who invented roundup had advised that farmers retain a specific percentage of their adjacent farmland to NOT use roundup. This was for the purpose of weed pollination to not create roundup resistant weeds. (Guess how that turned out.)
    2. Ecological effects. Studies have shown that glyphosate has significant adverse impacts upon bees, amphibians, fish, beneficial insects and nitrogen fixing bacteria. Glyphosate is not selective in the plants it kills, either. The endangered shrub, Pimelea spicata, has had entire metapopulations endangered by glyphosate applications intended to eradicate bitou bush. As it reaches lakes and oceans, the half-life of glyphosate jumps up from 5 days in soil to 49 days. It severely impacts plankton growth and is detrimental to coral.
    3. Human heath risks. In a Minnesota study of 1537 children, parental exposure to glyphosate was correlated with increased birth defects.

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    • David Corpus

      Why was my comment jammed in the middle of an 8-month old conversation instead of being placed chronologically?

    • hyperzombie

      1. The scientists who invented roundup had advised that farmers retain a specific percentage of their adjacent farmland to NOT use roundup.

      They issue the same advice for all herbicides, Oh, you think that there is just one not 100s.

      2. Ecological effects. Studies have shown that glyphosate has significant adverse impacts upon bees, amphibians, fish, beneficial insects and nitrogen fixing bacteria.

      Nope, it is pretty much harmless to everything but plants.

      Glyphosate is not selective in the plants it kills, either.

      Duh, that is the whole point. like WTF?

      Pimelea spicata, has had entire metapopulations endangered by glyphosate applications intended to eradicate bitou bush

      tell the applicators to only spray the brush that they want to kill, problem solved. Glyphosate doent kill anything that it is not sprayed on.

      As it reaches lakes and oceans, the half-life of glyphosate jumps up from 5 days in soil to 49 days. It severely impacts plankton growth and is detrimental to coral.

      It is the other way around 5 days or so in water and 49 days on land. Glyphosate also does not leach, it binds tightly to the soil.

  • bible thumper

    Farmers are a bunch of Monsanto’s sellouts, accomplices to rising cancer and desiese. GMO, Pesticides and chemical fertilizers are killing people.
    Farmers will sell own children for a buck. I think they should have to ware a signs that say what we produce is carcinogenic and is detrimental to your health.

    • hyperzombie

      The cancer rate is DOWN 15% since the introduction of GMOs, got anything else?

      • bible thumper

        Truth is people are becoming more aware since the Monsanto’s GMO plants,animals and pesticides have taken over. The health food industry is booming. Organic growers and home gardens are on the rise. So don’t chalk up the success to round up ready gmo crops and round up…that would be stupid.

        • hyperzombie

          The health food industry is booming. Organic growers and home gardens are on the rise.

          Well, the with the Europeans it is even more popular, yet their cancer rate is not going down as fast as it is in North America (and it is higher overall).
          I by no means am saying that either GMOs or Roundup lower the cancer rate, but is sure isn’t causing cancer.

          • bible thumper

            You say heal food is even more popular with Europeans, but they have a huge disadvantage
            with governmental restrictions on non pharmaceutical healthy supplements and treatments. There are lots of deceases that are on the rise that are contributed to round up ready crops. Cancer isn’t the only thing to look at. Every time Science tries to improve on nature something bad happens. They introduce a fish into a new habitat and all of a sudden it ruins the echo system. How much damage are they doing reengineering plants and animals that will affect the gene pool for ever. I personally don’t want to see all the corn in the world be a genetically modified monsanto corn or beets or soybeans or wheat. It is like watching the mass extinction of plants that have feed humans for thousands of years. I say there are some things that science shouldn’t do.

          • hyperzombie

            There are lots of deceases that are on the rise that are contributed to round up ready crops

            Like what?

            Every time Science tries to improve on nature something bad happens.

            I didnt know that the wheel and cellphones were a huge failure?

            They introduce a fish into a new habitat and all of a sudden it ruins the echo system.

            When did scientists put fish in a new ecosystem?

            How much damage are they doing reengineering plants and animals that will affect the gene pool for ever.

            Hmmm, all crops are engineered by humans for humans…There is no wild corn, wheat, barley and most other crops. Spend some time thinking about this in the wild fields of seedless watermelon…

            I personally don’t want to see all the corn in the world be a genetically modified monsanto corn or beets or soybeans or wheat.

            None of these crops exist in Nature, they were bred by humans for humans.

            It is like watching the mass extinction of plants that have feed humans for thousands of years

            No plants are going extinct because of GMOs,,, GMOs are just traits, not a species.

          • bible thumper

            I think the GMO corn has gone to your brain. You cant be serious. These crops all exist in nature. Man didn’t event corn. It was a wild plant that man cultivated to sustain life. Now man is changing the DNA in food. This is irreversible.

            Here is an interesting study.
            Tissues including meat of chicken who had eaten only genetically engineered Bt corn were found to contain pieces of DNA from this food. The problem however is that every cell in plant GE foods contain genetically unstable DNA from the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus (CaMV) promoter. This DNA is suspected to be cancerogenic. Moreover the CaMV is related to human viruses that cause serious diseases (AIDS and Hepatitis B). The corn grains on one cob of GE corn contain hundreds of millions of such CaMV DNA.

            This is just one of several studies that have established that the genes in the body may take up potentially harmful, patogenic viral DNA from GE food. It has not been proven that it is safe to ingest large amounts of such dangerous virus genes. Still the GE foods containing them has been approved for sale and are found on the shelves all over the US and other countries.

          • hyperzombie

            These crops all exist in nature. Man didn’t event corn

            Think about that while wondering around the wild corn fields of France,,,,Oh You cant because there is no wild corn…. Corn cant even reproduce without humans.

            Now man is changing the DNA in food.

            Yep, It is called plant breeding and we have been doing it for 1000s of years.

            If you are worried about Bt, you should not consume any Organic food. They use 1000s of times more than GMO farmers as a per acre rate.
            Bt is totally harmless to humans and it has been used in Ag for almost 100 years now…Back in the 30s salesmen ate it right out of the box.

          • JoeFarmer

            You are an idiot.

          • Good4U

            Thumper, you are quite out of touch with reality. You should seek education on the facts pertaining to genetics, and more importantly on biochemistry. You should also look into the actuarial statistics on human diseases such as cancer, which as the other commenters have correctly stated, are decreasing in North America (but not worldwide). Life expectancies in the industrialized countries of the world are increasing, and have continued to increase ever since modern agricultural techniques were adopted, especially genetic modification of certain food crops to make them safer and which have prevented unnecessary waste of natural resources that would otherwise have occurred without GMOs. A fear based approach to life has never been productive. Good luck on your educational path. Let us know in about 10 years how you are doing. Meanwhile, you should refrain from making wild statements such as you have done above.

          • bible thumper

            More simplistic approach to GMO and chemicals.

            There is a great scientist that has been studying the autism spike in kids, after six years of research she thought it was brought on by vaccines because of the correlation between the vaccines and the children beginning to show signs of autism. She is finding glyphosate to be the major factor, although vaccines do seem to trigger the decease. According to the graph of children contracting this decease the number of will continue to rise. Right now it is one in 80 children.

            This is some good reading for those that care to know whats up

            10 Reasons to Avoid GMOs

            1. GMOs are unhealthy.
            The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses.

            Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years; food allergies skyrocketed, and disorders such as autism, reproductive disorders, digestive problems, and others are on the rise. Although there is not sufficient research to confirm that GMOs are a contributing factor, doctors groups such as the AAEM tell us not to wait before we start protecting ourselves, and especially our children who are most at risk.

            The American Public Health Association and American Nurses Association are among many medical groups that condemn the use of GM bovine growth hormone, because the milk from treated cows has more of the hormone IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1)―which is linked to cancer.

            2. GMOs contaminate―forever.
            GMOs cross pollinate and their seeds can travel. It is impossible to fully clean up our contaminated gene pool. Self-propagating GMO pollution will outlast the effects of global warming and nuclear waste. The potential impact is huge, threatening the health of future generations. GMO contamination has also caused economic losses for organic and non-GMO farmers who often struggle to keep their crops pure.

            3. GMOs increase herbicide use.
            Most GM crops are engineered to be “herbicide tolerant”―they deadly weed killer. Monsanto, for example, sells Roundup Ready crops, designed to survive applications of their Roundup herbicide.

            Between 1996 and 2008, US farmers sprayed an extra 383 million pounds of herbicide on GMOs. Overuse of Roundup results in “superweeds,” resistant to the herbicide. This is causing farmers to use even more toxic herbicides every year. Not only does this create environmental harm, GM foods contain higher residues of toxic herbicides. Roundup, for example, is linked with sterility, hormone disruption, birth defects, and cancer.

            4. Genetic engineering creates dangerous side effects.
            By mixing genes from totally unrelated species, genetic engineering unleashes a host of unpredictable side effects. Moreover, irrespective of the type of genes that are inserted, the very process of creating a GM plant can result in massive collateral damage that produces new toxins, allergens, carcinogens, and nutritional deficiencies.

            5. Government oversight is dangerously lax.
            Most of the health and environmental risks of GMOs are ignored by governments’ superficial regulations and safety assessments. The reason for this tragedy is largely political. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), for example, doesn’t require a single safety study, does not mandate labeling of GMOs, and allows companies to put their GM foods onto the market without even notifying the agency. Their justification was the claim that they had no information showing that GM foods were substantially different. But this was a lie. Secret agency memos made public by a lawsuit show that the overwhelming consensus even among the FDA’s own scientists was that GMOs can create unpredictable, hard-to-detect side effects. They urged long-term safety studies. But the White House had instructed the FDA to promote biotechnology, and the agency official in charge of policy was Michael Taylor, Monsanto’s former attorney, later their vice president. He’s now the US Food Safety Czar.

            6. The biotech industry uses “tobacco science” to claim product safety.
            Biotech companies like Monsanto told us that Agent Orange, PCBs, and DDT were safe. They are now using the same type of superficial, rigged research to try and convince us that GMOs are safe. Independent scientists, however, have caught the spin-masters red-handed, demonstrating without doubt how industry-funded research is designed to avoid finding problems, and how adverse findings are distorted or denied.

            7. Independent research and reporting is attacked and suppressed.
            Scientists who discover problems with GMOs have been attacked, gagged, fired, threatened, and denied funding. The journal Nature acknowledged that a “large block of scientists . . . denigrate research by other legitimate scientists in a knee-jerk, partisan, emotional way that is not helpful in advancing knowledge.” Attempts by media to expose problems are also often censored.

            8. GMOs harm the environment.
            GM crops and their associated herbicides can harm birds, insects, amphibians, marine ecosystems, and soil organisms. They reduce bio-diversity, pollute water resources, and are unsustainable. For example, GM crops are eliminating habitat for monarch butterflies, whose populations are down 50% in the US. Roundup herbicide has been shown to cause birth defects in amphibians, embryonic deaths and endocrine disruptions, and organ damage in animals even at very low doses. GM canola has been found growing wild in North Dakota and California, threatening to pass on its herbicide tolerant genes on to weeds.

            9. GMOs do not increase yields, and work against feeding a hungry world.
            Whereas sustainable non-GMO agricultural methods used in developing countries have conclusively resulted in yield increases of 79% and higher, GMOs do not, on average, increase yields at all. This was evident in the Union of Concerned Scientists’ 2009 report Failure to Yield―the definitive study to date on GM crops and yield.

            The International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development (IAASTD) report, authored by more than 400 scientists and backed by 58 governments, stated that GM crop yields were “highly variable” and in some cases, “yields declined.” The report noted, “Assessment of the technology lags behind its development, information is anecdotal and contradictory, and uncertainty about possible benefits and damage is unavoidable.” They determined that the current GMOs have nothing to offer the goals of reducing hunger and poverty, improving nutrition, health and rural livelihoods, and facilitating social and environmental sustainability.
            On the contrary, GMOs divert money and resources that would otherwise be spent on more safe, reliable, and appropriate technologies.

            10. By avoiding GMOs, you contribute to the coming tipping point of consumer rejection, forcing them out of our food supply.
            Because GMOs give no consumer benefits, if even a small percentage of us start rejecting brands that contain them, GM ingredients will become a marketing liability. Food companies will kick them out. In Europe, for example, the tipping point was achieved in 1999, just after a high profile GMO safety scandal hit the papers and alerted citizens to the potential dangers. In the US, a consumer rebellion against GM bovine growth hormone has also reached a tipping point, kicked the cow drug out of dairy products by Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Dannon, Yoplait, and most of America’s dairies.

            The Campaign for Healthier Eating in America is designed to achieve a tipping point against GMOs in the US. The number of non-GMO shoppers needed is probably just 5% of the population. The key is to educate consumers about the documented health dangers and provide a Non-GMO Shopping Guideto make avoiding GMOs much easier.

            Please choose healthier non-GMO brands, tell others about GMOs so they can do the same, and join the Non-GMO Tipping Point Network. Together we can quickly reclaim a non-GMO food supply.further research she as evidence that the

          • hyperzombie

            There is a great scientist that has been studying the autism spike in kids,

            Who is this Great scientist?

            If you are going to copy and paste anything from another site at least give them credit.

          • Probably Vandana bloody Shiva.

  • bible thumper

    For more info for responsible technology check out this link. http://www.responsibletechnology.org/autism

    • hyperzombie

      Yes it is always best to get your science info from a “Flying Yogic” instructor…..all the best in that regard.

  • That link goes to a site of Jeffrey Smith. It is not an institute. Smith is a member of the anti-science Maharishi cult. He is considered a quack and is his site. Here is some background: http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-organizations/institute-for-responsible-technology-ifrt/

  • kurzweilfreak

    This is why every time I hear some anti talk about how they drench/drown crops in glyphosate, I ask them to tell me specifically what they think that means, in ml/acre or whatever other measurement they would like to use. I have never, not once, had one of them answer me with any kind of measurement.

    Because they simply don’t have the first clue. Imagine that.

  • Can I comment? Or Have you totally disabled this critic?

    • Sterling Ericsson

      Your comment is here, so clearly you can comment.

  • remistevens

    Dousing/drowning isn’t the issue, all that equates to is how much water you’ve added. Its the chemicals that matter. A microscopic drop of the right chemical can kill someone in no time- or give them cancer 20 years later.

    • agscienceliterate

      So don’t drink Roundup, ok?

  • Susan Linkletter

    All that proves, is that tiny amounts of those poisons are deadly. So the fact that trace amounts of it are found on the food I consume every day is even more worrisome.

    • JoeFarmer

      Incorrect.

      Try reading the USDA’s Pesticide Data Program if you are concerned about residues in your food.

      • Susan Linkletter

        You state that 1 cup of this pesticide is all that it takes to kill every plant in a football sized field. Then you try and tell me it’s OK to consume trace amounts of this same pesticide. Well, I would rather not.

        • JoeFarmer

          You haven’t proved your claim, “All that proves, is that tiny amounts of those poisons are deadly.”

          All you’ve done is to express an opinion that is most likely not grounded in science.

          Are you familiar with the first law of toxicology? Probably not, based on your statements so far.

          • Susan Linkletter

            It is a known fact that tiny amounts of glyphosate are poison. “1 cup of this toxin will kill every plant in a baseball field” is a quote from your article. Its your claim not mine. So why would I want trace amounts of it in my food? Its not a claim based on science its simple logic – its connecting the dots because the first law of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison. You wrote an entire article stating how very little of this substance is deadly, I therefore would not like to expose myself to it. If I cannot control the dose I cannot keep it from poisoning me.

          • Absolute_Shower

            Haha! It’s deadly to plants, not humans.
            Beer is deadly to slugs, chocolate is deadly to dogs, peanuts are deadly to those with an allergy etc. etc.
            Your “simple logic” is just not logical.

          • Susan Linkletter

            It has been labeled as a probable carcinogen by the World Health organization and the EPA is currently reviewing glyphosate for its toxicity. it has also been linked to autism and leaky gut syndrome. It could very well be harmful to humans.

          • agscienceliterate

            One branch of the WHO, the IARC, labeled it a probable carcinogen. Not the WHO. And in the same category of carcinogenicity as sunlight and caffeine. It has not been credibly linked to autism. It has not been linked to leaky gut syndrome. Get your facts right. Nonetheless, if you want to believe woo like that, you definitely should stick to organic and non-GMO certified foods. They are made and sold for people just like you.

          • Susan Linkletter

            The rise in the use of glyphsate has been correlated with the same rise in autism cases. The two have been linked, but correlation does not prove causation. The rise in autism also correlates with the rise in childhood immunizations. Both need more study to prove causation. There is new research out on how glyphsate destroys our intestinal bacteria and my be causing leaky gut syndrome, IBS, and other digestive disorders. It is worth reading if you have the time. I will stick to my glyphsate free stuff just to be safe.

          • agscienceliterate

            Susan, correlation is not causation. Go back to your high school science teacher (you were asleep) and ask him/her to explain. Wanna see a really close correlation between autism and organic foods? That old Stephanie Seneff stuff has been thoroughly debunked. And you are reading Robyn O’Brien’s woo also, it is clear. Your comments are right out of their playbook. They get paid handsomely to speak and spread anti-science fear about autism.
            Look at the autism – organic food “correlation” chart here, which was made to show how ludicrous your argument is:
            https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/10/13/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
            See? Means squat.
            You could correlate an increase in autism with, say, the increased number of Starbucks in your neighborhood. Or increased number of cellphones.
            And autism correlated with childhood immunizations? Nope. Call the Autism Society. Maybe they can straighten you out.
            You should stick to glyphosate free stuff, tho, “just to be safe.” Why read and understand science when it’s so much easier to just eat organic and non-GMO certified foods? These foods where made (and priced) exactly for people like you.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Go back and read my post and then try to use your grade nine literacy skills to tell me something in a non condescending way that I haven’t already said.

          • agscienceliterate

            OK. Again. Correlation is not causation. There is no evidence that autism increases with glyphosate, or vaccinations. You are reading fearmongerers who profit off getting people like you to repeat this scary but untrue garbage. Stephanie Seneff and Robyn O’Brien are quacks. Is science really that scary, and condescending to you? Then, avoid science, avoid GE, avoid vaccinations. (Keep your kids far away from my kids.) Keep your food choices to yourself and do not interfere with mine.

          • Susan Linkletter

            There is some evidence that autism increases with pesticide use or vaccinations, but the evidence just shows correlation not causation. You seem to be able to dismiss this a bit easier than I can. But, knowing that there is a correlation between autism and vaccination did not prevent me from getting my kids vaccinated because I can understand that despite the personal risk, there is a greater good to be served by vaccinating children from terrible diseases. The same is true in allowing relatively safe pesticides to be used on food, but its also important to be able to choose not to eat those foods as a consumer or not to use the pesticides as a farmer – it does not affect anybody else, it does no harm to society to do so. I don’t know who Stephanie Seneff is nor do I know the O’Brian guy, never heard of them. I mostly stick to scientific journals for my health info, although to be honest I tend to rely upon the alternative medicine ones which advocate healthy diets and lifestyles as a way to prevent disease. Just because you don’t. would not be justification for keeping our kids separated. Seems a bit extreme don’t you think? Discussing my food choices in an open forum in no way interferes with yours – does it?

          • agscienceliterate

            Great! If there is “some evidence that autism increases with pesticide use or vaccination,” please enlighten us all and show this “evidence.” Curious minds are very eager to read what you got.

            Glad you vaccinate your kids, at least. One down, one to go.

          • Susan Linkletter

            Here is a Scientific American article on the link between pesticides and diseases – including autism. There are actually lots of credible studies in scientific peer reviewed journals that link pesticides to disease. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-risk-higher-near-pesticide-treated-fields/

          • Susan Linkletter

            Its deadly to the beneficial bacteria that live in our digestive system. They have the same enzyme pathway that plants use and that’s why it kills some of them. Look it up, the research is quite new but it’s out there. If it’s harmful to the bacteria in our digestive system then it is harmful to us.

  • Baker

    I’m from Cairns in Qld Australia. We are one of the only countries in the world that hasn’t banned endosufan unless the crop is within range of export meat, then it’s a no no. We have farmers spaying this onto fruit until the entire suburb stinks of the stuff. They farmer is driven by commercial gain, forget the fact that it’s killing the reef or poisoning the human “stock” in the area.

    I also work as a podiatrists and have seen practice managers set quotas for orthotic prescriptions. It’s apsolutly scientifically proven that orthotics are non scientific and there is no science on why they work. But medical professionals will turn their back in pursuit of money.

    Point is, most humans are driven by money, they cannot be trusted.

    This site is pro GMO. It can’t be trusted.

  • flump2010

    WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR WORLD, THE TRUTH!!!!!
    This issue represents the small tip of a very large iceberg, to understand how everything fits together I recommend ‘the mental health debacle’, by Matthew Martins

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mental-Health-Debacle-Claim-Against-ebook/dp/B00PUHF260/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1426248491&sr=1-1&keywords=mental+health+debacle

  • Danny

    Cancers seem to follow the same trajectory, and Alzheimer’s, and…

  • JOHN BISCIT

    “The requests keep coming in,” Ben Winkler, laboratory manager at
    Microbe Inotech Laboratories in St. Louis, told Gillam. Winkler said his lab is getting several testing requests a week since the announcement by the WHO, up from three to four requests a year for glyphosate, Gillam Reported.

    “People should be concerned,” Cook said. “If a few lab tests have
    found glyphosate in honey, soy sauce, baby formula and breast milk, it’s a fair bet the herbicide is in a number of other products most
    Americans are consuming or in contact with daily.”

    According to press reports, food companies have submitted a number of products, including breakfast cereals, for testing. Many mainstream
    cold cereals are made with genetically engineered ingredients, including GMO corn where the bulk of glyphosate is used.

  • JOHN BISCIT

    Toxic Weed Killer Glyphosate Found in Breast Milk, Infant Formula
    Contact: Shannon Van Hoesen Friday, April 10, 2015

    Washington, D.C. – The widely-used herbicide glyphosate, now classified as probably carcinogenic to humans by the
    World Health Organization, has been found in a number of items,
    including honey, breast milk and infant formula, according to media reports.

    “When chemical agriculture blankets millions of acres of genetically engineered corn and soybean fields with hundreds of millions of pounds of glyphosate, it’s not a surprise babies are now consuming Monsanto’s signature chemical with breast milk and infant formula,” said Ken Cook, president and co-founder of EWG. “The primary reason millions of Americans, including infants, are now exposed to this probable carcinogen is due to the explosion of genetically engineered crops that now dominate farmland across the U.S.”

    “Through their purchasing power, the American consumer is fueling
    this surge in GMO crops and the glyphosate exposure that comes with it,” added Cook. “It’s time the federal FDA require foods made with GMOs be labeled as such so the public can decide for themselves if they want to send their dollars to the biotech industry that cares more about profits than public health.”

    According to a report by Carey Gillam of Reuters, laboratories are receiving a surge in requests to have everything from food to urine samples tested for glyphosate in the aftermath of last month’s announcement by the WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer that the weed-killer is “probably carcinogenic to humans.”

  • Why doesn’t the US government regulate glyphosate?

    The FDA is accused of corruption in refusing to regulate. http://www.biointegrity.org/

    The same corporations stand accused of corrupting the EPA. http://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/poison-spring-the-secret-history-of-pollution-and-the-epa/

    Scientists at the USDA claim they are harassed for telling
    the truth. http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2015/03/26/usda-urged-to-shield-its-scientists-from-harassment/

    The US government did issue a patent for glyphosate as a broad scale antibiotic, but it hasn’t been used for that because, while it kills most symbiotic gut bacteria, it doesn’t kill botulism or salmonella, so those diseases increase in animals dosed with it.

  • Kim Hanna

    BS, we know for a fact glyphosate is in our food supply and food tests show elevated glyphosate levels in our food and we know that glyphosate damages the gut lining and causes disease.

    • Kim, there is no empirical evidence that glyphosate damages the “gut lining” and absolutely no evidence that suggests that glyphosate as used in farming causes ANY diseases in those who consume foods where it is used. Zero evidence to that effect, including in recent IARC study. Need to find another bogeyman, I guess, or another anti-science website.

      • Kim Hanna

        http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-herbicide-linked-to-cancer/

        Widely Used Herbicide Linked to Cancer

        The World Health Organization’s research arm declares glyphosate a probable carcinogen. What’s the evidence?
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-glyphosate-roundup-herbicide-triggers-autism-in-children-mit-scientist/5433023
        Monsanto Glyphosate Roundup Herbicide Triggers Autism in Children.
        MIT Scientist. A senior scientist at MIT has declared that we are facing
        an epidemic of autism that may result in one half of all children being
        affected by autism in ten years.

        Dr. Stephanie Seneff, who
        made these remarks during a panel presentation in Groton, MA last week,
        specifically cites the Monsanto herbicide, Roundup, as the culprit for
        the escalating incidence of autism and other neurological disorders.
        Roundup, which was introduced in the 1970’s, contains the chemical
        glyphosate, which is the focal point for Seneff’s concerns. Roundup was
        originally restricted to use on weeds, as glyphosate kills plants.
        However, Roundup is now in regular use with crops. With the coming of
        GMO’s, plants such as soy and corn were bioengineered to tolerate
        glyphosate, and its use dramatically increased. From 2001 to 2007,
        glyphosate use doubled, reaching 180 to 185 million pounds in the U.S.
        alone in 2007.

        If you don’t consume corn- on- the -cob or
        toasted soybeans, however, you are hardly exempt from the potential
        effects of consuming glyphosate. Wheat is now sprayed with Roundup right
        before it is harvested, making any consumption of non- organic wheat
        bread a sure source for the chemical. In addition, any products
        containing corn syrup, such as soft drinks, are also carrying a payload
        of glyphosate.

        • What drivel. No farmer would take the time and expense to spray right before harvest. It would simply be a loss of his profits for no reason whatsoever. Glyphosate requires a few days to soak in and kill the weeds. If you are about to harvest the weeds can do no further damage.

  • theresa

    On the other hand, my father who is a farmer , has a much different perspective. ..and think about it folks, weeds will grow ANYwhere…so if this is soil that even WEEDS refuse to grow in, do we really want our food grown in it?

  • Borsk Fey’lya

    And glyphosates are so safe that we should consume even more of them.

    • That is correct. They displace much worse chemicals previously used. Or maybe you long for the good old days when DDT was found in breast milk?

  • Liz Wilson

    So, with this logic in mind… Does that mean if someone only sticks the tip in when they rape you that it’s not considered rape?

  • Liz Wilson

    So, with this logic in mind… Does that mean if someone puts in just the tip when he rapes you then it’s not considered rape?

    • Yes, in the case of raping weeds. Not crops.

  • Donald Davis

    An international group of scientists, however, released a study last week, connecting the long-term intake of Monsanto’s herbicide (glyphosate), even in very small doses, as being linked to kidney and liver damage…

    “More than 250 million pounds of glyphosate are used each year in the United States, and the science is clear that it’s a threat to public health and countless wildlife species,” said Dr. Nathan Donley, a staff scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity.

    http://newswire.net/newsroom/news/00090240-epa-to-start-labelling-monsanto-s-roundup-as-being-cancerogenus.html

  • Sue

    So what do you have to say about desiccating wheat about a week before harvesting? This crap is doing harm to the human body. Nothing you can say will change my mind!

    • Farmer Sue

      Sue, as usual, you have reaffirmed that your mind is slammed shut tighter than a hog’s ass at fly time, with no hope of being pried open with science and rationality. You are incurious. You are unscientific. You are lazy — you can’t provide citations to your claims, and you aren’t even interested in talking to farmers to find out how farmers use GE products and why. Nothing that anyone can say will change your mind. OK. Go follow Food Boob, and see how that works out for ya.

      To the rest of GLP’s more rational readers, the information in this article is correct, from a farming perspective. Farmers do not want to pay any more for insecticides and herbicides that they need to, and use the smallest amounts possible to harvest a crop. Much less pesticides than prior to GE options, and less toxic as well. And better for the soil due to no-tillage, no-compaction practices. Thousands of studies have shown GE crops to be as safe (or, in Chipotle’s case, safer) than conventional and organic foods.

      • Sue

        Any farmers that have chosen to use pesticides and herbicides on their crops do not care what gets out there as long as their crop sells. No different than the pharma said and some of the Docs getting kickbacks for pushing their products. All I can say to you is, any Farmer that is stupid enough to pay for a seed that is patented is stupid! Blindly giving your money to a corporation that has never done anything good and cares only for money and they have farmers sucked in everywhere! Farmers that use these chemicals on something you put in your body are money grubbing idiots that don’t give one shit about their kids, the environment, wildlife etc. I don’t need to post studies, especially when Monsanto has funded them! Common sense should work for anyone with half a brain! Farmers like you are part of the PROBLEM, not the solution! How dare you call me lazy! Lazy is a Farmer that uses chemicals for their benefit, not taking into account the effects it will have on the end products. Any Farmer like you on a soap box preaching to people that these chemicals are safe and you only use an eye dropper is just trying to free themselves of the guilt of poisoning people all over the world. You are no better than Monsanto themselves!

        The fact that you believe what you are saying is proof that you are the lazy one. Yes, I can provide citations, I have plenty but it is obvious I am not going to change your mind. What that leaves is time! Europe is already banning Monsantos crap and it is just a matter of time. Do me a favour and remember me when all that shit is banned and you have super weeds bigger than your crops and soil that isn’t worth a shit because you abused it with your chemicals! I feel sorry for you!

        So do everyone a favour and take that Roundup you use on your farm and fill a metal tank with it and make sure it is close to the barn with the grain in it. Be sure there are no people or animals near.

        • Farmer Sue

          Ha! Ha! I love it when ignorant activists try to talk to farmers about farming! Okay, Susie. Fact #1: Seeds, including organic hybrids, have been patented since 1930. Fact #2: Chemicals are everywhere. Including organic pesticides. In everything you eat. Do you read Food Boob regarding this chem-phobia? Sounds like it. Fact #3: You won’t post citations for your woo because you cannot. Fact #4: You are lazy and uneducated. You can change the latter. The former attribute will no doubt prohibit you from doing so, however.
          You are against all pesticides and herbicides? Including organic?
          You are against pharmaceuticals and MDs. Are you also anti-vaccinations?
          You are anti-corporations. You know that Hole Paycheck is almost as big a corporation as Monsanto? You shop there, tho, I know. Hypocrite.
          Yeah, lazy. And that is far worse than just being ignorant. Your smarmy arrogance is appalling.

          • Sue

            Believe what you want “Susie”! I probably have more education than you do! I don’t post citations because Monsanto has you all so brainwashed you can’t think for yourself anymore.
            I have noticed while talking with Monsanto freaks, that when they cannot back what they are saying, they make personal attacks on people they have no idea of who they are or what they stand for. I have plenty of citations, actually pretty much a library of Monsanto article and peer reviewed.
            You lack intelligence and cannot think for yourself. I eat nothing produced by Monsanto and no I do not follow Food Babe. I think for me, based on what makes me sick and yes, glyphosate is toxic.
            By the way, that “hole” in Paycheque you speak of, I think you meant ” whole” ….but then again, you could mean hole as you just dug yourself deeper!

          • Farmer Sue

            I ask again, Susie, for you to post any citations for your out Regis claims. But then, of course, you know more about farming then farmers do, right? You don’t need no stinking citations. You know what you know. That’s OK, I’ll feed you anyway. And I think my two masters degrees probably supersede anything you can throw at me. Just saying.

          • Sue

            Believe what you want sweetie, you should consider giving up your day job!

          • agscienceliterate

            Susie – – – you are just too cute for words!! I’m using your circular reasoning in a critical thinking class that I teach. Thank you so much for your examples!

      • Sue

        Typical response from someone who needs to bully to try to get a point across rather than answering a simple question.
        Seriously, you pro Monsanto people act like they are going to share their billions with you.
        When crops are desiccated, it is within one week prior to harvest…it is no damn wonder people are testing positive to having glyphosate in their urin, breast milk.

        I will tell you right now, Monsanto, as well as other chemical companies are in over their head! It is just a matter of time! Might want to do some reading about farming the healthy way!

        • Farmer Sue

          Susie! Pro-Monsanto? Sheesh — what happens when I buy seeds from other companies, like Syngenta or Pioneeer? Don’t leave them out, sweetie. Oh, and how about when I buy conventional or organic seeds from these same companies? Or are you only talking about GE seeds? Do you have any problems with seeds developed through mutagenesis (including organic), including irradiation and chemical baths?
          Oh, and be sure to tell me how to “farm the healthy way.” I am sure folks here would love to know your opinions. You got any citations for your bizarre beliefs? Or is it “I know what I know when I know it” kinda thing?
          Like I said before: You are incurious. You are lazy. You won’t talk to a real farmer. You just post your ridiculous diatribes here and think people are going to lap it up as if it were the truth. As you yourself said, “Nothing will change my mind.” That pretty much says it all, Susie.
          You are just another arrogant and ignorant, entitled, well-fed, lazy urban-dwelling cement troll who has never been on a farm, a yuppie activist whose head is in some fantasyland regarding modern biotechnology. You can quote me.
          And I betcha you are anti-vaccine, too, am I right?

  • Loren Eaton

    ‘This crap is doing harm to the human body.’ I’m not going to waste my time changing your mind. Care to come up with some proof for your statement?

  • Gavin

    Regardless of what people argue, my health has improved significantly by eating stickly non-GMO and organic labeled food. PERIOD! It’s called a gut feeling as in normal bowel movements, no indigestion, not a bunch of gas, not waking up in the middle of the night with stomach aches and frequent bathroom trips, etc. etc. Obviously no labeling is insurance of “perfectly safe” but from my own experience it’s better than flying blind and assuming all of it is A.O.K. BTW- I’m a farmer to who used to believe “organic” was a scam until my digestive system told me otherwise; not to mention bioaccumulation of toxins in processed foods but I digress.

    • [email protected]

      Specifically what food that you think was GE that gave you these symptoms?

  • kippersnacks

    The truth is, we don’t need to poison weeds.
    We have ample state of the art machinery that pulls weeds just fine without the use of poisons but Monsanto sells Round-Up and wants to continue to sell it, for profit, without any independent studies. The FDA, EPA, AMA and other government agencies that were put into place to protect the people have been heavily influenced (bribed aka lobbied) by the Poison making people and pushed as safe when NO long term, independent or not, studies have been done to ensure that these practices are safe for human consumption.
    I don’t want poison on my foods, thank you!

    • Farmer Sue

      Many studies done on the safety of glyphosate and GE crops. Thousands. And you sound like a conspiracy theorist who doesn’t trust our oversight agencies on food safety, right? People have been eating GE foods for 20 years. But you don’t want poison, I understand that. Have a great lunch at Chipotle’s, and we look forward to seeing you back here after you recover from real food poisoning.
      And I would love to know what fantasy “state-of-the-art machinery” to pull weeds you are thinking of.
      If you wish to become more educated about modern farming and sustainable methods that use GE seeds, contact your local farm bureau with your questions. They will be happy to straighten out your many misconceptions about farming.
      Oh, and you’re welcome.

  • Non-santo

    You justify this like it’s not a problem. Do some research people, this FOOD they are all going is classified as a PESTICIDE. While we may not directly eat the corn, it’s feed to your bacon , your Big Mac , and you KFC GMO chickens. It’s poison, this isn’t farming, it’s big business for population control.

    • agscienceliterate

      Um, please let us know how KFC chickens are GMO. Inquiring minds want to know.

  • disqus_XcvVvYyTtc

    so than you’d take one drop of arsenic, cause it’s only one drop, right?

  • Tracy

    This is the worst article of lies yet. First he talks about “no till ground” NOT NATURAL. He then says he can do this due to the the scientific man-made poisons. Second thing he says: So, what about this drowning we’ve been reading so much about? On our corn ground, before planting we apply 16 ounces of Glyphosate, 8 ounces of 2,4-D, and 48 ounces of metalachlor per acre. To put that in perspective, it’s a little more than half a gallon of herbicide spread out over an acre, or roughly the size of a football field.(by the way, metalachlor is spelled metolachlor genius)
    And then he says:
    For soybeans, it’s even less. We start with the same 16 ounces of glyphosate and 8 ounces of 2,4-D

    How is this any less than what he claims he douses his corn!

    And then he says:
    BUT add 2.5 ounces of the pre-packaged mix. The pre-mix is a dry ingredient

    And then HE adds a no-name dry ingredient, (what is it, OVALTINE people?)

    Then he says:

    To look at a specific example in our operation, we have two farms that we rented about 4 years ago.

    Here’s another RED FLAG! a rental farms, renters couldn’t give a rats ass about other people’s properties.

    And then he says: During the transition time, we aggressively managed weeds through herbicides.

    Aggressively, as in MORE chemicals?

    I believe in biotechnology, but NOT until the chemical companies, Monsanto and others, SHOW beyond a doubt, that their poisons are NOT on my dinner plate, period. What I’m saying is, if you are NOT going to prove this to us by outside labs (NOT by MONSANTO),
    then you must be afraid of what they will uncover in OUR FOOD.

    You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that their blatant attempt to obscure the biological science behind their food. Actions speak louder than words.

  • SouthernTide7

    Hi Dave,
    I appreciate your perspective, as I was brought up to seek out and weigh all sides of an issue when I make a decision. I also appreciate the care and effort in which you educate the readers, and obviously the no till approach you use. And while I do not oppose all GMO crops, these particular crops concern me. Why? because of the following:

    We know that the way glyphosate (which came into the world as a descaling chemical) works is to rob a manganese atom from plant life, so that it cannot build the amino acids required to live. This also impacts bacteria, which use the same biological process to synthesis the amino acids and all 20 proteins for life. Bacteria in gut of animals and humans are being found to be incredibly important for our health, ability to fight cancer, and overall well being. Since beneficial bacteria in our gut are sensitive to 0.5 ppm of the glyphosate and have been found to disrupt hormones at that level, and higher levels destroy these beneficial bacteria, what is your take on this?

    Since various crops are allowed to have high levels of glyphosate
    (for example 40 ppm for soybeans, and 400 ppm for animal feed), how do you see this?

    While it is true that the EPA doesn’t recognize health impacts of this pesticide, please point out in fairness that the world health organization has reviewed published science and classifies it as a possible carcinogen, and states published science to support this position.

    Again, I think your points are valid on the misrepresentation of organizations to go overboard with the campaigns against this practice, I’d like your responses to this…

    thank you…

  • i woke up yesterday

    hello i just want to know are you being paid by monsato……you do realize that 2 4 d is the same stuff used in agent orange …right…the stuff that was sprayed on vietnamese in that vietnam war whose veterans are now complaining about side effects to them and possible side effects to their children are you being paid by monsato….. the stuff they produce are being banned in several countries..you should be ashamed for promoting poisons…you are the reasons as to why we have so many health problems and have to run to the doctor every 5 minutes…..the fda only allow you to exist because they are paid off by monsato…they even had a few people to be elected to office it sais so on their wiki page…the findings to the safety of their products is never challenged people get killed if they even try…even if your not drenching your crops in the stuff …your still using it …just a little and look at all the mental problems we are having here in the US one in five have a mental disorder which is a lot more than there used to be before monsato came into existence

    i dare you to claim that your pesticides and herbicides are safe considering that vietnam vets have severe mental health issues and its not because people died …its because of all the sprayings…there is no evidence provided to show us the american people that your products are safe your governors , your lawyers, your asses are covered in lies and sit in the office desk of the government

    • agscienceliterate

      Interesting diatribe. Well, since everyone who supports biotech is “paid by Monsanto” (even though I tell people like you over and over and over again to stick to organic and non-GMO certified, and don’t get a nickel from the huge organic industry, either), and since all safety and oversight agencies are corrupt and paid off by Monsanto, and since you believe mental disorders are Monsanto’s fault (except your own, which must be caused by something else), there’s no point explaining science or farming, because your mind is pretty much made up. No point wasting your time or that of others, right?

  • Mcgregor

    What a joke!
    From my personal experience, I live across the street from a small 40 acre farm. I try to grow my own garden every year. The farmer never pre treats the farm, the weeds start taking over by July and they show up with huge spayers on a tractor. I watch the stuff pouring out of that thing and within days, most of my garden is dead and several of my trees’ leaves turn brown. And I am breathing that stuff. I hope that farmer really likes his new f250 when I am in the cancer ward from his spraying.

    • Farmer with a Dell

      Well, you’ll get some of that with hobby farmers — a 40 acre “farm” is really only a 40 acre hobby. Hobby farmers are exempt from most regulations, seldom respect the others. It’s these sorts of weekend warrior scofflaws who give professional farmers a bad rep.

      Snap pics, capture some video, blow him in to your local health dept. and your state’s pesticide enforcement agency. The professional farm community uses ag chemicals responsibly and intends that everyone should do so.

      PS: If this 40 acre hobby farmer bought a new F250 you can bet it wasn’t from his “farm income”. It came from his off-farm income stream, which also funds all his other toys and his playtime in his 40 acre sandbox.

  • keef

    Dave – you mentioned that one of your concerns is that herbicides are not sustainable – could you (or someone) explain that for me please?

  • Melissa Thornton

    Ever heard of astroturfing? If not, I urge anyone who reads this article to look it up. Eye droppers! Really? I suppose that’s why 300 million pounds of glyphosate are used on crops each year!? That’s in the United States alone. That really sounds like a legit thing to say based on the hard facts that show how many pounds of chemical were sold. Worldwide enough is sold to apply a half pound to every acre of farm land on the globe. That would be one hell of alot of eye droppers! Lol! Give me a break! And notice the article says this is the most sustainable way of growing and all thanks to GMO’s! Who really wrote this? A Monsanto exec!? No, it isn’t the most sustainable. In fact, it’s been proven that organic crops actually either produce more or the same. Not only that, they don’t poison the earth, don’t have manipulated DNA, and they don’t cause this crazy thing called super weeds (which then, in turn, cause more glyphosate to be used and the ground becomes harder to grow on).

    • agscienceliterate

      You ignore the science of biotech. You ignore the studies showing more produce per acre of GE over organic. You ignore the poisons that organic farming uses. You ignore the fact that numerous organic products have manipulated DNA through mutagenesis. You ignore the fact that superweeds are not a GE problem, but a farm management issue. You certainly have a lot of misunderstandings — pray tell, what pro-organic anti-GE activist sites have filled your head with such garbage?

  • Christina Lamano MaidenVarnold

    Pesticides that kill “from the inside out” already proven to be harmful to the health of humans, animals, birds etc. is fact. Add Almost All farms are using these now on all your food and tobacco products – JUST pesticides used add all the products together, how much do you ingest, breath and drink daily? Farmers here in the midwest spray with planes dumping pesticides – many complain of sinus and related problems especially at the times of year all these sprays are dumped on the fields blowing through the air, getting into the ground water etc. Now add to that GMO’s. GMO’s use scorpion poison (yeah that’s healthy to humans huh?) as well as things like soybeans coated with pesticide on each and every seed… research people, wake up.

    • Farmer with a Dell

      “…research people, wake up”

      What the hell sort of “research” do you think you have been doing? Every one of your ridiculous Chicken Little scare tactics is blatantly untrue. Every one of them! Now, that must be some sort of accomplishment, worthy of some sort of troll medal and recognition? Are you for real?

    • agscienceliterate

      I love the scorpion poison myth! A new one. Where did you get that?
      Any citations for any of your bogus fearmongering?